Woah, WTF is Nihilus doing so high? He's decently to considerably above Vader- the latter scenario at the very best. And Kun being Tenebrous+ is just...
And WTF is Malgus doing above Vader?
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He's so high because his feats and hype are simply better than the Sith below him. That's all it's down to, lol.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Though it's nice to see you've conceded, and recognized Nihilus' proper superiority over Vader
And yes, a character with properly established feats, hype and actually quantifiable scaling is better than a Sith Lord whose entire claim to fame is unquantifiable powerscaling. Also, yeah, taking on a Vitiate ragdoller, an equal to Nox and two others who are each individually > Sith Lords is honestly better than anything Vader's done tbh.
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Nihilus' hype is not better than Plagueis'. Plagueis is the most powerful Sith up to his time- in a blurb that is, per Leland Chee, perfectly valid and canon. I have posted that quote. Plagueis is canonically superior to Nihilus. Not debatable.
Nihilus only achieved better feats due to knowing Drain, something that Plagueis didn't. Being more versatile does not equate to being more powerful. If Plagueis did know Drain as well as Nihilus he'd surpass those feats by virtue of being canonically more powerful.
Nihilus also lived in an era where he could use all of his powers, whereas Plagueis needed to restrain himself due to the Jedi and the Sith having to hide. Plagueis is canonically superior, so he can surpass those feats.
Even in a bad situation (having to hide from the Jedi), Plagueis managed to imbalance the Force so thoroughly that the most powerful being ever was created. He also managed to, with a small fraction of his power and his mere presence, make Naboo's mountains shake, lakes+oceans+rivers freeze, and the planet become so cold it was the coldest winter ever.
Why do people say Tenebrous is featless? He lifted lots of humongous slabs of rock that individually threatened to crush his ship, a Sith ship, which was pretty big given Maul's Sith ship was 26 meters. Tenebrous' ship would have probably been comparable. Tenebrous and Maul used their ships to do the same tasks, so it makes sense the ships are at least comparable. So lifting up slabs of rocks that individually are 20 meters+ is a very good feat.
Tenebrous also defended against an explosion that collapsed a cathedral-sized mine. An actual feat, no?
Kun has more feats and esoteric powers, blah blah blah, Tenebrous can blow him away with TK and defend against Kun's Force blasts/Lightning/Force Pushes.
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1. That quote's been debunked so many times that I'm not even responding to it. Speaking of which, at least try to respond to said debunking before parroting it around in other threads. In any case, though, it's perfectly debatable.
2. It wasn't a standard type of Drain, lol. It was something completely unique to him - born out of his condition, out of his suffering on Malachor V. If Plagueis does know Drain, it wouldn't be nearly as potent - and nor would he have any defense against the type that Nihilus employs.
3. All well and good, except he isn't canonically superior. As I said before, please try to actually respond to the many arguments (both from DC and myself) which debunk them before parroting them in other threads.
4. Along with a Sith Lord of near-equal power in Sidious, a multi month ritual aimed specifically toward unbalancing the Force, and with the aid of the dark side itself. My argument can be found here. Also, so what if he affected a planet's climate? Nihilus is turning entire planets to barren, lifeless wastelands with a single thought, as confirmed by multiple sources. It's really unfair to Plagueis to compare the two feats.
That's all well and good.... except for the fact that it doesn't put him above any of the Sith above him in any way whatsoever.
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