Either way, didn't Bastila also say that, "You will defeat Malak," to both of them being, "No match for Malak," then going on to say that, "A true Jedi is more than a match for even the Dark Lord of the Sith," she's hardly reliable source for anything more than offhanded comments. Most of which are for an emotional response.
Anyway, that wasn't the point. The point is, Leviathan Revan knows less than Darth Revan, and definitely less than end-game Revan. Malak was being pressed until he was able to use Stasis, which Revan was unprepared for, not being completely trained. Darth Revan would know how to defend against this. Leviathan Revan wouldn't.
Vandar seems reliable, and the fact they both state the same thing, despite them being in no relation to one another. Vandar states it on Dantooine, Bastila does on Lehon.
Also once again, please play KotOR. Darth Malak was not being hard-pressed. It makes me when people engage in Revan/Malak debates with no knowledge on the character.
In fact, according to Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Prima Guide, Darth Malak injures Revan in the duel, forcing Revan to "bare the brunt of Malak's assaults" in a defense.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 01:34 AM
Bastila is not a reliable source so she doesn't back up Vandar. Also, such things are often said to press one into a solution. I do not doubt that Malak is stronger than Darth Revan, or even a superior saberist, but again, that wasn't the point. The point is, Padawan Revan does not know what Darth Revan did and was still able to hold his own.
Malak retreating instead of destroying Revan like every other opponent we see him face says otherwise. Revan was able to duel with Revan where as no one else was. Either way, I've played the game a fair bit since release, more times than I can count and recently. Thanks for suggesting I do though.
Being pressed =/= having a disadvantage. Being able to constantly react and attack, is a definition for press. The fact that Malak had to resort to stun to finish Revan off shows that even then he was a formidable opponent for him.
Last edited by FreshestSlice on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 01:41 AM
When two sources both state the same thing, regardless of reliability (and Vandar is reliable), with no signs of contradiction, then I don't see any issue on why it's not true.
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Prima Guide implies Darth Malak did this to ensure "one-on-one combat" would occur.
If you payed attention to the dialogue before hand, he was rather pissed that many Sith doubted he could beat Revan.
The fact the guide says "returns through the blast door" rather then "retreat" further supports my claim.
Also, it is worth mentioning that the guide says Malak goes away from Revan once *Revan* gets some injury, not vise-versa like many say.
There is also the fact that all books, Bastila, Carth, and Malak all say Revan must "retreat" from Malak in order to survive.
Not at all. If you played the game, you would notice Bastila Shan comes out immediately after Revan is in stasis.
Malak would have felt her breaking from his hold, and then stopped the fight with Revan in order to defend himself against Shan.
It is only logical for him to not fight the both of them when he can easily just beat them separate. Carth agrees with me.
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How the **** does this have anything to do with Nomi Sunrider?
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When the source is the same person, it is. Bastila is a staunch proponent of the Jedi Council and held them above all else. Her agreeing with them means nothing, especially when she herself is unreliable in this regard.
None of that discredits what I said, that Revan was viable combatent that pushed Malak more than most. I never said that Malak couldn't handle Revan. Although the one on one thing is interesting, and I will admit I did not remember.
I was not making this point. At all. I will admit, Malak may have not, "had to" resort to Stasis, but the fact that he used it instead of just defeating Revan shows that Revan was competent enough to be stunned. I don't consider Bastila competent enough, which makes me believe that Revan was viable enough to finish Malak off in team. I'm guessing that you think Bastila is competent, since you believe a saber throw is worthy of putting someone in Stasis. Especially when she takes the time to scream out that she is doing it.
Am I allowed to place a ban on stuff not related to Nomi Sunrider? FreshestSlice, if you want to have the same debate I just recently bested ShootingNova on, be my guess, but don't do it here.
The bold confirms you never played the game.
She didn't agree with him, she wasn't even on the same planet when she too said the same thing Vandar thing.
In fact, she said it weeks upon weeks afterwards.
Lies. Darth Malak had the upperhand the entire battle, and I seriously doubt anyone could ever prove otherwise.
Just as Maul was competent enough to get ragdolled by Sidious because Sidious grew tired of the toying? I don't see any difference here.
In fact, putting Revan in stasis is a testament to Malak's power. Putting Shan/Carth in stasis was stated to have been use of "incredible power."
Canonically, Bastila's interruption of the fight was a heroic sacrifice. Otherwise, Revan would have been killed.
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No, they are the biggest lies I have ever seen. If you want to make a fanficiton, at least make it good.
And no, no response from Avellone yet. Tbh, I actually hoping he confirms they are right...
Because then that means an entire new arsenal of Revan books waiting to be pirated!
People can follow the massacre here: http://www.swtor.com/community/show...162&page=16
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Jul 4th, 2014 at 04:01 PM
(please log in to view the image) They put Saba Sebatyne on Revan level. This must be stopped.
Any members who have access to the boards, please comment below.
The great massacre of the century is coming. The threads of swtor.com will be filled with blood!
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Their ranking methodology is not suitable to properly evaluate power of characters. Greater number of feats come in handy in that kind of ranking methodology, mostly assumptions based on which feat they find impressive in comparison to another (subjectivity). Unfortunately, characters with proven combat record get undersold in such rankings such as Revan and Sith Emperor.
Heck, according to that method Bastilla Shan should be most impressive Jedi of her era, keeping in mind how she could influence entire fleets with her BM talent. However, Revan is much stronger then her on the whole.
Jul 2nd, 2014 01:27 AM
when people engage in Revan/Malak debates with no knowledge on the character.
