Palpatine tosses Khan about easier than he tossed a senate pod and breaks Khan's body/bones harder than Spock did. /screenfeats /cantbedenied /thread /pwneditagain
Palpatine tosses Khan about easier than he tossed a senate pod and breaks Khan's body/bones harder than Spock did. /screenfeats /cantbedenied /thread /pwneditagain
TCW animated series (1 film and 6 seasons) represents extension of the official canon (lore) of Star Wars mythos which was originally represented by 6 films. Official canon (lore) is what you should be focused at, it presents a wider picture of power based hierarchy and capabilities of the characters featured in works of Mr. Lucas because a single film doesn't reveals much about capabilities of any character in general in this mythos.
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The problem being is that you constrain to what is catered to the plot, destroying any sort of potential application of the same power.
Allow me to utilise an example, I can rightly claim that Khan cannot kill either Spock, or Kirk, because he never did. the Kronos scene proves that, even when he had the commanders of the Enterprise at their knees before him, after killing the majority of the Klingon striketeam, he didn't choose to kill Kirk, Spock or Uhura, Phase Cannon and all. I can also use the fact that, despite having an armed attack fighter and having most of Starfleet command cornered, he still couldn't kill Kirk, or Spock. Why? Not because he is incapable of killing them, but because the plot of the movie and franchise would not allow it. Apply THIS logic to your own argument, and all of a sudden, all your arguments about force users, or really anyone in general, basically boils down to you utilising vast amounts of Plot Induced Stupidity.
I am well aware that you prefer to ignore this, and you seem to enjoy using plot warped characterisaztion liberally throughout your opponents, but it alters nothing, as using PIS is still against the rules.
What are you talking about? You've done the exact same thing when characterising the Phase Cannon. You have literally placed it on a pedestal so high, it exceeds even Superman's heat vision!
False. The problem is I debate based off feats and applications of said power. You want to ignore the matchups and create false feats never before seen.
That is completely separate. We see him use the power necessary to kill any of them. He just didn't. You don't understand what it is I'm saying though that isn't a surprise to me at all. Palpatine has the power to kill Yoda he was just unable to. I never claimed Palpatine can't kill those he hasn't killed. What I did claim was that the force has never been used to effortlessly rock a body back and forth in repetitive fashion until bones were broken. We see Obi use a force push against Grievous. We also see Dooku do so to Obi. Neither were broken but were flung backwards with force. The same can be said with Yoda against Palpatine and Maul against Obi. You are saying something that has never occurred. Force pushes are out of character but can be used by Palpatine. We see Yoda do so and just knock Palpatine backwards so the same applies if he uses this force against Khan.
Now, I put the Boolean gun above the Knian ship blasted which rocked Kal for ten second ko. I back my reasoning with evidence. Now stick to the topic and quit attempting to backseat mod me. It doesn't work, sport.
All I truly see here is a bunch of sperging and pedanticsm over functions with the force
I mean given they're feats, it's far from impossible for them to ragdoll other humans and the fact that force users can survive attacks from each other is a positive (and before you bring up blasters again, well put it this way, low caliber bullets have less joules then a punch from a heavyweight boxer, though due to the bullet's lower surface area, it has more concentrated power)
The force is a ****ing versatile asset and saying that they can't ragdoll humans is as stupid as saying Superman couldn't lift a sea monkey because he's never shown it specifically. Pedantiscm will do you no favors
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If it was possible we would have seen as much. We have seen Obi in extended battles against Jango and Grievous. We haven't seen the application of the force push applied any way in which the fanboys are describing. I base my reasoning off factual data whereas fanboys make shit up.
Superman has lifted far more than a sea monkey. Palpatine can use the force push but in the same manner we see Yoda do so. It does nothing more than irritate Khan who vaporizes him with the Boolean gun.
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Translation: "herp derp he hasn't done specifically y in x situation so it's impossibru in vs debates"
Don't you love substanceless TL;DR rantings?
Palpatine has force'd far more than just humans. How do you not see the irony in your own post? Of course I expect some kind of special pleading bullshit right about now
Khan can tank enough energy to toss (what should be several tons to possiblt low end double digit tons) Senate Pods around now?
Palpatine can just dodge it, or TK it away from Khan, whatever works
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We have seen the force pushes used and not once in the manner you describe on screen and in six movies. He can force push just like the others do in the films. Quit making up feats. Debate objectively for once.
So has Yoda and the example when he does force push a human doesn't kill him. He went there to kill him, genius.
Khan can tank far more than Palpatine, sport.
Based on him dodging what blaster fire ? Boolean gun is too powerful and the phaser rifle is too fast.
Yes, note that word, force push as in a telekinetic blast, not using telekinesis to lift and move stuff
Holy **** you're a derp
Only time I recall Yoda force pushing a person was Palpatine, and, again, the fact that Palpatine survived is a testament to how much force users can tank
Never compared durability but uh, whatever
Khan's nowhere as fast, nor can he tank Palpatine's attacks
With posts like these I sometimes wonder why you're allowed to post
"Not dodging or blocking blaster fire" Are you ****ing kidding me right now?
Palptine can just dodge or TK the weapon away
What speed feats do phaser blasts have?
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We see Dooku lift Obi and move him. I already referenced that. It is clearly less concussive since its slower.
We see Obi survive, as does Grievous. Etc. Quit acting like it kills when it obviously doesn't.
Glad to hear you concede. Khan uses long ranged weapons far faster than Palpatine. He is also a much better hand to hand fighter minus any weapons than Palpatine has shown.
He can block some blaster fire but not dodge. He has never done so and Khan's weaponry is far faster and more powerful than blaster fire from star wars.
Based on what ? When has he done so ?
If you aren't familiar with Into Darkness why post in this thread ?
No, you debate more off of choice, rather than any sort of imaginative power. Based on your current logic, the Phase Cannon can't kill a human being, because it never has done so onscreen. You do of course realise how stupid that is.
We see Palpatine throw Senate pods with little effort multiple times. Why could he not apply that same force to a human body repeatedly, or from multiple directions? For the same reason the Phase Cannon never killed a human?
So. In essence, we can easily say that the Boolean Gun as you have now taken to call it, is useless against human beings, or anyone other than Klingons and their transports. Is that about the shape of it?
Except Kal has got better durability feats, the weapon system of the Kryptonian Ship is unquantifiable, and you have no basis to put Khan's gun above anything, because the kryptonian weapon was never fired on anything else to get an accurate comparative. And besides, that still does not put it above HV, which is the point I made.
It's not backseat modding if you actually break the rules, kid. Or would you preffer I do hit the report button? Geez man, which is it?
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