He changed only little bits we saw onscreen, he never changed the history and lore of the world he worked on.
And yet they are still strictly based on the events given form and context described in the books and events that occurred offscreen. Tell me, who is Morgoth in film only story?
Actually, the franchise owners do. Otherwise things like comics, movies tv series and entire franchises would be far more of a jumblef@ck than they are now. That's why things like canon exist. You've already demonstrated numerous times that you don't know either the old Legends Star Wars canon, nor the new Disney Star Wars canon policies, so don't try to play that game with me.
Oh how wrong you are of that. Your telling me that the movies didn't follow the books lore? And that the movies are now higher in the canon scale than the original work? WTF?!
You invented abilities like the 100% perfect accuracy and Khan himself having regen despite never showing it. Do not blame me if I follow the actual ST canon, and use it to serve as an explanation as to why NuKhan is inconsistent and doesn't show the power set you claimed he did.
And they put the directors and storytellers in charge. Grant them the power. Star Wars legends aren't canon. Just clone wars series, films, comics, and novels.
Based on the books but only the movies are canon to the films. That's why they are different. Based on doesn't mean exactly the same.
He did have perfect accuracy there. And he does have cellular regent ion like bones had never seen. All movie facts. Into Darkness is canon to alternate reality so you can't ignore feats just because you like the original shitty trek.
They don't give them the power to override established canon, and set guidelines. Hence why Producers generally have creative control. And see the red text there? You've hard line denied Novels ever play a role, and yet, there you are saying it is so.
So, what your saying is that you think that the lore the books established for history, past events, and everything else, despite repeated mentioning, no longer apply. And you claim this without explanation or proof. I'm sorry, but that's not how chain and flow of events work Quan. The movies rely on events both pre and post on screen. The film makers can only fit so much, and Jackson already crammed in 12 hours for the original trilogy, and almost as much for the Hobbit trilogy, that's 24 hours of screen time, and he barely scratched the surface.
It's not about liking or disliking it, it's about objective fact. And fact#1: Khan's shots struck floors and walls, miles off of viable targets. Fact#2: He never regenerated himself. Fact#3: He never would have lost the Eugenics Wars if he had those abilities, so explain that one.
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Yes, they did. They let them make canon Star Trek films. This isn't fan fic. Novels don't show real time or images so they are flowery language. Evidence but they don't make us forget how these chasrcters interact in canon films.
For films only we see the rules. If someone says films only you don't get to bring in the books.
I provided a line from the film. Cellular regeneration. Prove it. We never saw the eugenics wars. His abilities are established canon fact from into darkness. You can't simply complain, if you don't want to argue into darkness Khah stay out of his threads.
That doesn't make sense for starters. Secondary canon cannot override primary, and Star Trek has established canon already, so if you make something that doesn't gel, it gets scrapped. Things like Khan's superblood can be safely disregarded as outlier and PIS.
That does not disregard their importance, and it's not up to you to decide their value and the facts they establish.
Depends on the context. If something isn't explained or fleshed out, I can rely on canon sources to fill in the gaps, because that is logical, subjective, and more importantly legal.
What line?
That doesn't counteract previous, and post showings. And no, your fabled regeneration was never displayed by Khan. The wounds on his face from Spock didn't magically seal themselves up and stop welting. Stun blasts don't stop blood flow or cellular activity, the blasts work like a tazer, on neurological activity.
We know it's history from explanations in the show and previous film.
First off the Nu trek films aren't secondary canon. They are in continuity. We see the original Spock. It's in continuity.
Films only. Quit trolling. It's in the rules.
I never said he regenerates wounds instantly or can regrow limbs. I said his cellar regeneration impressed Bones. Fact. Canon. His blood healed terminal illnesses and brought Kirk back to life.
Into Darkenss is canon so no amount of griping will change that.
Then it's a writing screw up like I said earlier, and can still be disregarded as such. You cannot have it both ways.
The rules state "Film feats only." Not everything else, such as lore, history and background information. You really don't understand how the rule works. And nice call back to name calling BTW, here I was debating and talking in an honest manner.
That doesn't mean much on it's own. Bones had to synthesize a serum from Khan's blood. This doesn't actually mean anything for Khan himself in a fight. So you using it to try and establish something is a farce.
You keep saying that, but you still will not provide an explanation for the descrepancies outside of "retcon! Reeeeetcon!" Repeating yourself in a loop does not make that any more of a reason to allow the discrepancies as anything but a plot hole.
Incorrect, I said inconsistent, not crappy (Some, like Mith said it's crappy, but not I) I called them plot holes.
Did I use a book feat... anywhere? No I did not. The SBers used the books to explain what things are, they didn't use that as a placeholder for feats. Learn the difference between an informed point, and a feat. Feat wars are always circular anyway.
An inexperienced young man rails on an augment. Yeah, so? It's not the same thing as getting punched by MOS Superman, or lightsabered.
I'm not complaining. I'm disregarding the ones that don't make canon sense and are plotholes. Those have always been on the outs.
It was consistent the entire film he had cellular regeneration. He saved the girl as well at the beginning.
Movie feats only and anything from the books is a feat. It is movies only, you can't dishonor the point of movie only threads. Stop.
Kirk beat Khan in space seed. Kirk was unable to even harm Khan while just allowing him to attack. Kirk also hurt Nero in Star Trek with a punch. When did I say it was ? Stay on point.
If you decide what facts count and what don't then you arent fit to argue objectively. I accept all facts. You pick and choose.
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