Possibility of telepathic subjugation?
Powers/sorcery of Emperor Vitiate wouldn't do anything?
Or are you among those who mistakenly assume that Plagueis, Tenebrous and Sidious are immune? Each can get injured and killed.
Teams do not necessarily guarantee victory against a Force-user who can eliminate or overwhelm each member of a team.
The Jedi Strike Team assembled by Tol Braga had no shortcoming either, it flopped because Emperor's powers proved to be too formidable and no member got the opportunity to break away from Emperor's powers. Conventional strength wise, this Jedi Strike Team is one of the toughest ever assembled.
The Jedi Strike Team is not the first one to flop against Emperor Vitiate. An even stronger Sith Strike Team was assembled by Darth Lokess (12 Sith Lords representing entire Dark Council) and guess what happened?
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jul 13th, 2014 at 03:00 PM
Dark Council reference is irrelevant as prep was needed for it.
So basically Vitiate can defeat everyone because he can mind dominate them? Zannah can kill the ones with her illusions then. It doesn't work that way.
Plagueis, Tenebrous and Dooku would be enough for this but with Sidious who is at least equal to Vitiate, they stomp.
I am not sure what kind of preparation was involved. Emperor Vitiate became aware of the coup attempt and destroyed the Sith Strike Team with a single blast of power or sorcery.
If the entire Strike Team succumbs to telepathic powers, what would be the outcome then?
Zannah is not a valid analogy because she doesn't have the power and hype of Emperor Vitiate. Yes, Zannah stands a chance against lot of Force-users with her sorcery talent; standard defenses do not work against her tendril sorcery at-least. Bitter pill.
Of-course, this Strike Team have sufficient conventional strength to defeat Emperor Vitiate, it can win. But same is true for Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga and Sith Strike Team led by Darth Lokess.
Point is that none of these Force-users are guaranteed to outright tank Emperor's powers and strike him down as if he is nothing. Failure of the aforementioned Strike Teams validate my reasoning.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jul 13th, 2014 at 03:23 PM
Vitiate could not mind dominate Revan the second time he faced the Emperor and also HoT was immune to his mindrape. That sith strike team most likely could resist him.
This is not about who is better then who. Revan and HoT are also immensely powerful Force-users and are best suited for this battle. Revan and HoT developed some defensive mechanism against telepathic powers of Emperor Vitiate and had the luxury to prevent or make it much harder for Emperor to subjugate them again.
Sidious, Plagueis, Tenebrous and Dooku do not have any experience against powers of Emperor Vitiate. They will be caught by surprise and can succumb or flop.
These matters are not black and white, I expected you to understand this based on your posting history.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jul 13th, 2014 at 03:44 PM
I'm just trying to say that HoT and Revan weren't the only 2 that had survived his mindrape amongst thousands of sith/jedi. They are the 2 that we know. Mind domination won't do any good against a team like that. Sidious is most likely immune to this and perhaps Plagueis would have trouble with it if he was facing the Emperor alone but with such a team, Vitiate can't dominate his mind as well. They would eventually start fighting and Vitiate seems to have a weakness against close ranged combat when fighting high tiers.
Plagueis is very fast and with his saber skills he would cause a lot of trouble. Sidious can do the same + his insane force powers could definitely rival Vitiate's. With the aids of Dooku and Tenebrous, I really don't understand how you can believe that Vitiate has a chance here.
Its not black and white and by your admittance I'm aware of that but that doesn't mean that Vitiate would have a chance against 10 Sidious + 10 Lukes right? Same applies with this strike team.
Sidious and Plagueis are enough to equalize(at least) that team tbh.
Tol Braga is possibly 3rd one. However, these developments do not favor the position of other individuals in a versus contest such as this one.
Emperor Vitiate successfully broke Revan, HoT and Braga in battles when these individuals clashed for the first time. Revan, HoT and Braga weren't lacking in power and defensive aspects, it is just that they had no experience against esoteric powers of Emperor Vitiate and flopped. Revan and HoT, each broke free from Emperor's telepathic subjugation with external aid later on and were now in the position to think of countermeasures against this kind threat.
On what basis are you assuming that Sidious is immune to telepathic subjugation?
You need to understand how Force powers work. Telepathic powers are not restricted to individualism or area-specific. This is up to Emperor Vitiate, he may choose to focus on one individual at a time or all simultaneously like he did against Revan and Malak. Given the circumstances of this battle, Emperor Vitiate is likely to focus on the whole Strike Team.
Force-users do not become immune to Force powers when in groups. They may combine their might using specific talents to increase their chances of success but they would still have limits.
Yes, Team does have a chance but what is stopping Emperor Vitiate from burning or killing members of this team with his lethal powers? Emperor isn't a slow poke either.
Quality > Quantity
If Emperor Vitiate unleashes dark sorcery with which he can destroy an entire city then what would 10 Luke do if they don't have a defense against this kind of power?
Heck, replace Emperor Vitiate with Sidious (DE). Now if Sidious (DE) manages to unleash Force Storm in the battlefield, what would 10 Luke do then?
I tell you what 10 Luke can do. They can prevent Sidious and Emperor Vitiate from unleashing their most destructive powers and strike each down as soon as possible. In the nutshell, outcome boils down to decisions made and actions performed on either side.
Strike Teams assembled by Tol Braga and Darth Lokess were potent enough to subdue any kind of opposition (Conventionally speaking). They still flopped because Emperor's powers proved to be too much and no one got the opportunity to strike at Emperor.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jul 13th, 2014 at 04:40 PM
Well if this is your logic, like I said, Zannah could kill this team as well.
Common sense lets me see it. It is like saying Nihilus can solo the ones cause the ones didn't show any feats to prove that they can survive his drain.
He can focus on the strike team all at once. He would fail though.
Hmm, their defensive powers maybe?
Are you saying that Sidious and Plagueis lack enough power to be considered in "quality" type combatants?
You've answered it yourself. They wouldn't let Vitiate charge his attacks and it would come to 2-3 of them cornering him with their saber attacks. Vitiate doesn't stand a chance once 2 of them comes close enough to strike with sabers and this is inevitable since he has no prep or chance to charge and could hold them off for so long.
Jul 13th, 2014 02:48 PM
