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Revan vs Vader (Force Fight)
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ares834
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Originally posted by Selenial
Vaders suit is defense enough against lightning, it's insulated and only vulnerable if already breached.


I know. But if Revan's force lightning is intense enough(anyone have any feats BTW) it should be powerful enough to get past Vader's defenses and his armor.

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Starkiller overloaded it, and he's not top tier.


Uh... Yes he is. Shit, the dude's lightning overloaded an AT-AT.

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Nah. Bane, Sidious, Vitiate = top tier.

Those books are so ridiculous though, lol.


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I know. But if Revan's force lightning is intense enough(anyone have any feats BTW) it should be powerful enough to get past Vader's defenses and his armor.

Feats in respect thread. Link in signature. smile


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Vader was able to resist Starkiller's lightning. Starkiller just used the environment when he was going to be murderlered.

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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vader was able to resist Starkiller's lightning. Starkiller just used the environment when he was going to be murderlered.


From The Force Unleashed II novel, page 256:

"Finally, Starkiller saw an opportunity. They were exchanging rapid blows along the edge of the buckled platform, blades swinging so fast they were visible only as blurs. Vader's defenses were impenetrable; his lightsaber seemed to arrive a slpit second Starkiller's, every time. He may have defeated Vader before, but Vader had learned from that mistake. He knew the measure of his former apprentice, now.

But the same was true in reverse. And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it."

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Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah. Bane, Sidious, Vitiate = top tier.

Those books are so ridiculous though, lol.


And The Revan novels nice little "opening up to both sides of the force" and devouring thousands of Sith to become immortal isn't?


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Not when it comes to lightning.

Edit: Oh wait you were talking about ridiculousness and not top tierness.


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Eh.

I have no issue with someone using both sides of the Force. Especially someone like Revan. Vitiate draining others is just them totally, blatantly ripping off Nihilus. It's ridiculous but at least its got a precedent.


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Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Starkiller overloaded it, and he's not top tier.


Starkiller only overloaded it after the armor was breached, though.


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Eh.

I have no issue with someone using both sides of the Force. Especially someone like Revan. Vitiate draining others is just them totally, blatantly ripping off Nihilus. It's ridiculous but at least its got a precedent.


Even when all established canon points to it as an impossibility? Abeloth is a prime example



But whatever, I still hold to it being a feat of oneness, which isn't the same thing as using both.

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Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
From The Force Unleashed II novel, page 256:

"Finally, Starkiller saw an opportunity. They were exchanging rapid blows along the edge of the buckled platform, blades swinging so fast they were visible only as blurs. Vader's defenses were impenetrable; his lightsaber seemed to arrive a slpit second Starkiller's, every time. He may have defeated Vader before, but Vader had learned from that mistake. He knew the measure of his former apprentice, now.

But the same was true in reverse. And when Vader forced Starkiller onto his back foot and raised his lightsaber to strike him down, Starkiller fired a lightning blast into the side of Vader's armor that was so concentrated, even the new insulation couldn't absorb it."

Vader still absorbs a lot of it himself, as well. The point is, he couldn't take Vader out with his lightning alone.

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Vader still absorbs a lot of it himself, as well. The point is, he couldn't take Vader out with his lightning alone.



Wait, that wasn't the point at all. You said Vader resisted it, and I posted an excerpt from the book that showed he didn't. BTW, he did end the fight with his lightning. Later on in the fight, he hit Vader with another blast, this time in the gash in his chest armor Juno put there. That blast allowed Starkiller to take Vader's saber and brought Vader to his knees. Fight over.

Also, Newguy01, I think you're mixing up the attack I posted with the second one later in the fight.

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Wait, that wasn't the point at all. You said Vader resisted it, and I posted an excerpt from the book that showed he didn't. BTW, he did end the fight with his lightning. Later on in the fight, he hit Vader with another blast, this time in the gash in his chest armor Juno put there. That blast allowed Starkiller to take Vader's saber and brought Vader to his knees. Fight over.

The novel and the game are just as canon as each other, so saying you brought in a quote from the novel that doesn't exactly match the game doesn't necessarily make you more right. Either way, when I said resist, I didn't mean that he didn't feel it. The point is, it wasn't enough to stop let alone kill him, which is the desired outcome of a duel.

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The novel and the game are just as canon as each other, so saying you brought in a quote from the novel that doesn't exactly match the game doesn't necessarily make you more right. Either way, when I said resist, I didn't mean that he didn't feel it. The point is, it wasn't enough to stop let alone kill him, which is the desired outcome of a duel.



So I can post excepts from the novel, but they don't work because the game contradicts them? Ok, I'm now confused because:


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Hehehe… games are not canon anyway.

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So I can post excepts from the novel, but they don't work because the game contradicts them? Ok, I'm now confused because:

Nope. The point is saying that Starkiller's lightning definitely does something that's not supported in all or most sources isn't necessarily true. Neither the game, the comic, or the novel can override each other.

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Nope. The point is saying that Starkiller's lightning definitely does something that's not supported in all or most sources isn't necessarily true. Neither the game, the comic, or the novel can override each other.



And queeq's statement?

Btw, aren't novelizations generally held to a higher place than games?

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And queeq's statement?

Btw, aren't novelizations generally held to a higher place than games?

I think that's more about game mechanics, the games themselves are as canon as anything else. Plus in the novels, Starkiller contemplates destroying large scale buildings with a thought. It's hardly the most realistic source. TFU is one of the harder games to debate powerwise.

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And queeq's statement?

Btw, aren't novelizations generally held to a higher place than games?


Queeq is wrong. It's game mechanics that aren't.

IE, killing people makes you stronger, or getting a power after every mission. Happens in a lot of games, but killing making you stronger is only true of the exile, as explained in a cutscene.

It's non canon that in their duel, Surik did an attack then sion did, then Surik did then sion did. Because those are game mechanics.

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Vader still absorbs a lot of it himself, as well. The point is, he couldn't take Vader out with his lightning alone.


Also it was raining when Starkiller blasted Vader with lighting and water is a conductor. #amp


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Nephthys
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So is anyone gonna give an opinion on the actual fight?


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