1. And I say you don't have to have impressive speed to fight a Sidious who isn't using his full speed. Just however fast Mauls other feats suggest he is, since he's slowing himself down to Mauls level.
Excuses excuses. Maybe Sidious let Maul hit him too.
I think you should try establishing that without using his fight with Sidious as your proof. It's not good evidence of anything other than Sidious' dominance over him.
As of this time in the CW I'd say Plagueis and Kun are on a similar tier to Sidious. Maybe below him, but close nonetheless. Malgus is a tier lower with Vader, Marek, Nox and others.
In my opinion Malgus could ragdoll either of them as well and maybe both of them with difficulty. But we've already established you don't regard the feat I take as support of that (the Strike Team choke) as canon. But whatever, this is just us comparing out opinions. If you don't want me to point out that feat I won't.
Maul is superior with the Force but that doesn't indicate superior force speed. Kenobi was ducking under Mauls attacks, dodging him, lands a kick and forces Maul back several times in the fight. He's clearly on par with Maul in terms of lightsaber combat.
Ataru? What the hell are you talking about? Kas'im brought out dual lightsabers, which he had specifically not trained Bane to be capable of fighting against. Bane started losing because he had no clue what to do when fighting someone with two lightsabers. Which is why the comparison doesn't work here. Malgus knows how to fight Maul, he's faced double-bladed lightsabers and dual lightsabers before.
I might agree that Maul has more raw skill than Malgus does, simply because we have no real source that describes Malgus' level of skill beyond him being one of the most skilled warriors in the empire even before the war and that he defeated the Jedi Battlemaster in the Return trailer. I do think he has a very high level of skill, but he has little in the way of accolades like Maul has. But regardless, Malgus is more powerful and even before his prime fought a Maul-level opponent. He'd beat Maul in a lightsaber fight. To borrow your Kas'im comparison: Bane was beating Kas'im despite being less skilled through Bane being more powerful than he is.
The two of them will never engage him at once though. He'll attack at least one with the Force before the reach him and take him out of the fight at least long enough to get the upper hand against the second one. Also Malgus is very capable of using the Force while he's in a lightsaber duel. His skill with the Force is that high.
Who gives a crap about pain? It's not the pain that's going to take Savage out, its his face being melted and his eyeballs exploding. Malgus' lightning will hurt Savage enough physically that Savage will be taken out of the fight.
Savage got stronger as Dooku continued to blast him though. So obviously thats not true. Malgus would have passed out? Don't you mean Savage? As I said, I'm not talking about pain, I'm talking about physical damage. Savage continuing to fight aftering being hit that many times is irrelevant to proving his ability to shrug off having his chest burned through.
He doesn't need to spam it, it's a permanent boost. Becuase Malgus is just that awesome.
True, but unlike him she actually knows how to block lightning. So Malgus overwhelming her lightsaber defense and pwning her is proof enough that he can also pwn Savage. Lightsaber defense it more effective than Savage's "grit your teeth" defense, thus Malgus overwhelming her defense is a feat above Savage's resistance feat.
The brothers win with varying difficulty, not sure really. Maul has superior feats across the board to Malgus, and alone could likely take him with high difficulty. With both of them Malgus is done for.
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If you are trying to say that Maul is Malgus's superior in every respect, then... I'm not even sure what to say to that.
Suffice it to say that Maul and Malgus both have areas that they obviously surpass each other in.
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Maul has killed Qui Gon Jinn, killed Anoon Bondara, Bruu Jun fan, destroyed the entire Black Sun gang, defeated Kenobi, defeated Savage Opress, fought evenly with Mace Windu, took down Grievous, and survived a fight with Sidious.
He has better dueling feats than Malgus
He's dodged blaster bolts, moved five times faster than the human eye could travel, formed a web of light out of his lightsaber, fought faster than Qui Gon Jin, fought fast enough to appear to be, disappeared from a force sensitive's senses, attacking from all sides to Komari Vosa, speedblitzed droids, and deflected fire from multiple droids.
He's faster than Malgus
He's moved a massive ship, collapsed a ceiling, shattered barracks with his force scream, blasted back droids with a force wave, collapsed a cave, and ragdolled Obi wan.
He's physically comparable/a little stronger as he's broken durasteel binders, broken a door inward, smashed a table, as well as snapped necks and smashed droids.
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And Malgus has lightning, greater physical durability, telekinesis, and arguably better strength. To argue that either Maul or Malgus surpasses the other in every respect is laughable.
Maul is more skilled as a duelist, Malgus is more powerful and masterful with the force, both have their own physical edges over each other, and both are very capable tacticians.
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Not really, considering again Maul has more feats and accolades than Malgus. He is more skilled, has defeated more opponents of merit, the only thing Malgus has on him is durability (which is questionable)
Sidious's tests of him during his youth are far more than anything Malgus had to endure. Malgus also isn't as strong Maul has driven his fist through a wampa, broken through durasteel armor (durasteel > the marble table Malgus cracked), and killed a 300 lb creature with his bare hands. When has Malgus cracked durasteel, fought scores of droids unarmed, and or survived training exercises deprived of food, nourishment, and survived hunting droids coming after him?
Maul is faster, more skilled, and more powerful by order of feats not by order of your opinion.
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And when has Maul shielded himself from several tons of rubble before blasting it away while severely wounded, dominated two very powerful Sith/Jedi with the force at the same time, caused his opponent's arms to buckle behind the force of his blows, kicked Jedi several meters back, tanked explosions to the face, or created a Force Maelstrom?
When did Maul break durasteel armor, I thought it was binders.
And as far as Sidious and opinion goes, Sidious utterly dominated Maul in combat while amused, and he held Malgus's battlefield feats beyond anyone else's.
Did I ever deny that Maul is the more skilled of the two? No. Maul's technique is clearly more refined and proven. Did I ever deny that Maul is faster? No. Maul has greater speed feats and Malgus has had trouble with faster opponents before. Did I ever deny that Maul is greater in unarmed combat? No. Maul has training in Teras Kasi and has proven his immense talent in unarmed combat several times. Did I ever deny that Maul is more powerful in the force? Yes. Malgus has demonstrated greater telekinetic ability, as well as a plethora of other powers Maul lacks, and is comfortable applying his force powers far more freely in combat. Did I ever claim either of them to be superior to each other overall? No. This was not the claim or intent I had in this debate. All I'm doing is pointing out that suggesting Maul to be superior to Malgus in every respect is laughable.
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Malgus has far less speed feats than Maul, nothing Malgus has done puts him as faster. If Sidious fought seriously he'd speed blitz Maul and Malgus, the point was not that Maul is faster than Sidious but that he survived two encounters with him. Both would die miserably if they tried to fight him, but nothing suggests Malgus could even keep up with his striking speed like Maul did in his first encounter.
Maul defeated Komari Vosa while tired and suffering a blaster wound, survived a 98 foot fall into the underbelly of Coruscant without getting vaporized by the vehicles, getting touched, all while stunned and dodging obstacles that could kill him, survived being cooked alive, and killed a wampa when he suffered nerve damage from a wampa. As for endurance, I already said they were even in endurance, but that's stretching it considering Maul has more feats stretching into his youth that are more impressive regarding his trials with Sidious than Malgus did in that time period. Apart from endurance (which is debatable), you have admitted Malgus was inferior to Maul in the areas of skill, speed, and power, p. Backtracking doesn't change this, please bring up relevant speed, dueling feats, and martial abilities Malgus is known for that compare to Maul.
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It was a one off ability he displayed for a small amount of time. He has no feats to suggest he can use it in combat against the brothers.
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Probably even. Maul has thrown a massive ship, Malgus moved tons of rubble, Maul has also moved tons of rubble, Malgus has moved a boulder, Maul has collapsed ceilings, and blasted droids. If anything Maul is probably a little better in the area of TK, but its probably not by much tbh. This isn't really an area that puts Malgus above Maul, as Maul has more showings of equal or slightly more impressive merit. Who cares whether or not Malgus has displayed his powers "more frequently in combat", Maul's feats are just as applicable in combat situations as Malgus's. I'm not seeing how this accounts for the discrepancy in dueling feats, skill level, and lightsaber ability which Maul outshines Malgus in.
This also doesn't take into account Savage's presence. This is not quite a spite match, but its a very pointless thread.
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Half of your post was about how I'm apparently wrong for thinking Malgus is faster when I've said the exact opposite thing. You have a strange tendency to misrepresent and misquote my arguments and views in a futile attempt to make it look like I am failing to defend a viewpoint, even though I never held that view to begin with.
You also failed to acknowledge my biggest point of argumentation, which is in fact Malgus's superiority as a force wielder, instead claiming that I'm banking everything on Malgus's endurance, acting as if I've conceded to Maul's superiority in every other regard, which is not the case.
Basically this entire post by you was a futile attempt to make it look as if you are winning by completely misrepresenting, misquoting, and misattributing my arguments. Don't expect anybody to fall for it. People are a lot smarter than this.
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I'm not misquoting them, you admitted Malgus was weaker in areas, and I'm bringing up force feats to show that there is no real discrepancy between Malgus's and Maul's force feats. Apart from endurance Maul is simply superior in all areas, as in force feats Maul has more than his fair share of showings to rival Malgus's
I'm not misrepresenting anything as the above quote mentions. If they're even in a few areas, but Maul is higher in certain areas, ergo, Maul is superior by virtue of his other specs and showings. Malgus's showings in the force are kind of rudimentary i,e powerful TK showings which aren't all that different from what Maul has displayed. I know Malgus's feats and none of them are either put him above Maul unless you believe moving tons of rubble is superior to moving a massive ship which Maul moved (while injured). I don't see a discrepancy and or anything I've failed to address regarding Malgus's force abilities. His force maelstrom would never come into play, lightning can be absorbed by a saber, and both of their TK feats don't suggest either of them overpowering them in the same nature they would to someone like Bulq or Kenobi.
It wasn't futile as you readily Malgus was inferior in areas, are vacillating with regards to the relative close proximity of both guys force feats and endurance feats, when Maul's dueling abilities are far superior to Malgus's. Malgus's force abilities are not on a tier as to where they'd kill Maul or play some 00ber decisive role.
Again, everyone keeps forgetting that Savage is in this too. Malgus is strong and would lose to Maul in a hard fought match, but adding his brother who is underrated and no slouch himself makes this a mismatch.
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Here you are attempting to cover up your failed deception.
You once again spent the first half of your last post challenging me on a viewpoint I never held to begin with. You acted as if I had conceded every area but endurance, which is not the case because I also never conceded physical strength, nor mastery and strength in the force. Admitting Maul's superiority in some areas is not the same as admitting it in all but one area.
Your misrepresenting of my arguments in an attempt to distort people's view of this debate, and your subsequent attempt to deny it when I called you out for it, is basically the same thing as lying.
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I'm not misrepresenting anything, all I did was challenge your point with regards to Malgus's "mastery of the force". I even agreed with you that they're even in terms of endurance. Why do you always post like you have a chip on your shoulder dude? Again if you look back at my posts I only took issue with your statements regarding Malgus's force mastery, and I gave feats that showcased my viewpoint as to their close proximity in those feats. Nothing Malgus has done with his force abilities put him as superior to Maul based on what you posted, as Maul has performed feats quite similar to his. Maul's stronger, faster, and more skilled and that would swing the duel in his favor in terms of a saber duel. Malgus's force abilities aren't so powerful as to swing the duel in his favor. Lightning can be absorbed by a saber, he has no feats of force maelstrom in active combat, and Maul's physical showings with force enhanced abilities outstrip Malgus's based on the showings I've posted and can post again to reiterate my point
Also even as good of a warrior as Malgus is people keep forgetting about Maul's brother. Malgus's fights have never showed him as readily one shotting a powerful opponent, why people magically assume he'd dispose of either without labor intensive fighting goes against every duel Malgus has ever had.
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Jul 18th, 2014 10:07 PM
So obviously thats not true. Malgus would have passed out? Don't you mean Savage? As I said, I'm not talking about pain, I'm talking about physical damage. Savage continuing to fight aftering being hit that many times is irrelevant to proving his ability to shrug off having his chest burned through. 
