All of these events are connected with the ritual directly or indirectly, hence the reference. But no single statement covers the entire development properly. This is like pieces of a puzzle that have to be put together to figure out what happened. I blame BioWare for this inadequacy.
I pointed it out that Emperor Vitiate may have tapped in to the nexus of the dark side created on his homeworld to enhance his performance with Force Drain. Keep in mind that he was far more powerful then any Sith Lord in the galaxy even during this time.
I am asserting the same thing, my friend.
The Sith Lords did create the largest nexus of the dark side ever during the ritual but Emperor Vitiate used this development to his own advantage and unleashed Force Drain on others to consume then accomplish his agenda. It is possible that he tapped in to the nexus of the dark side to enhance his performance.
Excuse me?
Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side asserts nothing about Emperor Vitiate's proficiency in Force Drain.
Also, Emperor Vitiate continued to steal life-forces of many individuals after the event of Nathema and this is why he continued to grow in power throughout his span of existence. While performing this act, Emperor Vitiate performed many other actions so he does not needs to perform a ritual to drain others.
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No, it says you can do things You'd never normally be able to do with rituals, so that's applicable.
It doesn't matter, it could be a ritual given how many he did (Yes, it's stated his dark RitualS created Dark Storms on Dromund Kaas. But yeh, could easily be a ritual. It doesn't specifically state that making people Immortal was a ritual but we know it was.
1. Nobody claimed that Emperor Vitiate acquired combined might of 8000 Sith Lords from the ritual he orchestrated on Nathema. I am not sure why you even needed to assert this.
2. Nothing can obliterate Revan with mere sight other then direct contact with most lethal of energies in the galaxy.
3. Sith Lords formulated the largest nexus of the dark side in history from the ritual but this nexus eventually dispersed from the planet after the ritual ended.
4. Darth Bane's limitations do no apply to Emperor Vitiate. Yes, it is possible that Emperor Vitiate used the nexus of the dark side created over his homeworld from the ritual to enhance his performance with Force Drain.
5. Emperor Vitiate achieved corporeal immortality from the act of consumption of all biota in his homeworld, this was permanent increase in his power and capability to use the Force. Also, no one have achieved corporeal immortality from performing Force Drain related acts so Emperor Vitiate's accomplishment is very impressive or unparalleled in its own way.
6. Ritual performed was not Force Drain on planetary scale, it produced the largest nexus of the dark side in history. However, Emperor utilized this nexus to consume all biota of the planet after betraying his allies.
7. Emperor Vitiate's most ambitious ritual was far greater in scope in comparison to what he orchestrated on Nathema. This particular ritual was intended to consume entire galaxy. You cannot even compare these two events. Fact is that Emperor Vitiate continued to grow in power throughout his span of existence and he eventually reached a point when he could pull off Nathema on his own. However, his most ambitious ritual was of much greater scope so sacrifice of lives were needed once again to fuel a ritual of such a scope.
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As per your logic, every action Emperor Vitiate performs is a ritual, right?
Corrupting the environment of Dromund Kaas is a major development, this planet dwarves Mortis, Katarr and many other planets in size. It is much larger then Earth as well, if you consider real life comparisons.
Stealing life-forces of others is not the same thing as altering the environment of an entire (gigantic) planet. Once again, Emperor Vitiate surpassed every Sith Lord, who have co-existed with him and before, in power so his capability to manipulate the Force in superior ways should not be in doubt.
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Well, f he hadn't needed the sith lords, he would do it all the time to multiply his powers. Instead he choose to drain his servants. Doesn't this prove that without the presence of so many sith lords, he can't pull of that kind of a drain? Also the key point here is that he needed prep for this so its kinda useless in combat which is what matters in this thread.
It is possible that he could not consume others on planetary scale without tapping in to the nexus of the dark side created over his homeworld from the ritual being performed. The other Sith Lords served as his food supply to achieved immortality, sounds like sorcery was involved to accomplish immortality.
As far as combat is concerned, I am not sure why Emperor Vitiate did not make extensive use of Force Drain talents in such events but he continued to steal life-forces of many individuals after the Nathema event to continue to grow in power. He was dangerous with Force Drain since he converted some of his servants to immortal beings so he could drain them non-stop without killing them. Even with immortality, those servants felt weak and their capability to use the Force also diminished.
Yes but again, these are sorcery-prep based drains and it doesn't prove that he had a powerful combat drain skill. It definitely doesn't prove that his combat drain is as strong as Nihilus.
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LeGenD, there are a few statements saying the devastation of Nathema was a direct result of the ritual. You choose to deny this with quotes saying Vitiate drained everyone. Well I have news for you, the two are not mutually exclusive. Just because Vitiate drained everything does not mean he didn't accomplish this directly through the ritual. You are trying to disprove something already established through quotes, with other quotes that are not mutually exclusive. This is not proper evidence to contradict canon quotes, and your theory thus falls flat.
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The only times Vitiate has ever drained are through rituals, or people he has bonded/linked to for lack of a better word.
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A ritual is executed through the use of (Sith) magic.
Definition of magic
magic/ˈmadʒɪk/
noun
the power of apparently influencing events by using mysterious or supernatural forces
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Vitiate smoked Ziost with his dark powers - not through a ritual.
Dromund Kaas was the seat of power of the ancient Sith Empire and its destruction would have facilitated efforts of the Republic.
Consuming the galaxy was a gargantuan objective but Vitiate's effort towards this end was thwarted by his enemies (see Chapter 3 of Jedi Knight story arc). A Sith Lord experienced a vision of Vitiate succeeding in this endeavor and scenery was truly terrifying.
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Nothing implies that Ziost was a ritual besides the wishful misinterpretations of that cvnt Az, and given that Vitiate was a disembodied entity, he's physically incapable of performing one in the first place.
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