This is just an example, on the fly, how I though this would turn out, not the numbers but the way you rate it ^^.
Hercules 100
Grey Hulk 80
Savage Hulk 100
WWH 120
WBH 150
Current Hulk 110
Maestro 120
WWH Sentry 120
VoidSentry 130
Death Sentry 140
Gladiator (full confidence) 120
Silver Surfer, current 100
Tutinax 130
Thor 100
B & T Thor (with Gem, when he was just imprisoned in a Forceblock) 130
Of Thor 120
Thor from the Gorr arc 110
Thanos, before the IG saga 100
Thanos, after he lost the Cosmic Cube and was beaten by the Avengers 100
Thanos, when he arrived on earth to find his Son 110
Captain Marvel, pre DCnU 110
Shazam DCnU 100
Captain Marvel FC 120
Black Adam WW3, 120
Black Adam, DCnU,100
Ultraman, after a nose of knite, 130
Mazahs, before he died, 140
Superman, pre DCnU, 110
Superman, DCnU, 120
Superman, FC, 130
Superman OWAW, 150
Superdoom, 140
Doomsday, DOS, 120
Doomsday, HP, 160
Doomsday, DCnU before being ripped apart by Superman, 120
Martian Manhunter, pre DCnU, 100
Martian Manhunter, DCnU, 100
Wonder Woman, pre DCnU, 100
Wonder Woman, DCnU cuffed, 100
Wonder Woman, DCnU uncuffed, 130
Aquaman, DCnU, 100
Aquaman, pre DCnU, 60
Current Hyperion 110
SunGod 120
Brutaal 130
I will be very vague with some of the numbers, because some of the characters don't have a very established level of strength, but their overall power level somewhat makes it possible determining their strength.
I hope that no DC fanboy gets butthurt over my rankings. If you want to ***** about how I have DCnU Superman below Hercules, then first take a look how low I've placed Thanos.
Aquaman, DCnU = 20
Aquaman, pre DCnU = 35, hardest one for me to place. Probably higher than that.
Wonder Woman, DCnU cuffed = 40
Shazam DCnU = 40, barely any showings, managed to punch Superman yay.
Black Adam DCnU = 40, barely any showings.
Gray Hulk = 40, let's be serious here... Gray Hulk has better and more established feats than Wonder Woman / Shazam / Black Adam from DCnU.
Doomsday, DCnU before being ripped apart by Superman = 65, Wonder Woman breaking her arms while trying to punch Doomsday is more of a horribly low showing for her rather than a high showing for him.
Wonder Woman, DCnU uncuffed = 65, gets noticeably stronger, but is still below Superman.
Superman DCnU = 75, as some of you might know I don't take the Earth benchpress feat into count due to its overall WISy nature. Ripping Doomsday apart adds as much value as Void for the Void ripping Ares apart: None... Doomsday is unestablished and Ares is physically weak.
Savage Hulk = 80, base strength and can go up to 120 quickly.
Thor = 95, went even with Hercules, but lost in a wrestling match.
Thor from the Gorr arc = 95, in theory Thor the way he should be written and visibly more powerful, but still the regular Thor without an upgrade, who lost to Hercules in strength competition.
Black Adam WW3 = 95, jobbed here and there to Captain Marvel, but in the end of the day even in that story it has been stated that Black Adam was weaker than some of his opponents, who were holding back, while he wasn't.
Captain Marvel, pre DCnU = 95, according to statements even with Superman, but never really backed that up.
Wonder Woman, pre DCnU = 95
Gladiator (full confidence) = 105, as high as Gladiator can go, but starts declining quickly from there down to 80.
Superman, pre DCnU = 105, imo a full confidence Gladiator. Strong and all that, but still below a Savage Hulk, who gets his strength going and reaches current states.
WWH Sentry = 105, was performing slightly better than Hercules against WW Hulk durability-wise, but went even with WW Hulk mainly due to the energy projection.
Doomsday DOS = 115, somewhat early post retcon, didn't face opponents with more established feats.
Current Hulk = 120, in theory Savage Hulk maxed out.
Juggernaut = 120, went even with WW Hulk and forced Hulk to dodge, but probably due to the magical aspects of his power. Has some very questionable showings as in badly losing to Captain Universe and Hyperion (maybe due to context).
OF Thor = 120, Greg Pak said OF Thor wouldn't have liked it to be in Sentry's position for WW Hulk, so strength-wise I'm rating him lower than WW Hulk, but still far more capable due to the overall effectiveness of the Odin Force.
Thanos, before the IG saga = 120, questionable showings, where Professor Hulk and Thing were punching him around. Still Thanos though. I have him at 120, because he said that he was trying to avoid a fight with the Hulk. Hulk would get stronger and stronger and maybe ultimately reach Thanos' strength.
Thanos, after he lost the Cosmic Cube and was beaten by the Avengers = 120
Thanos, when he arrived on earth to find his Son = 130, more serious about his approach, but still not a lot of opportunities to shine with strength.
WWH = 150, because he downed Hercules very quickly
B & T Thor (with Gem, when he was just imprisoned in a Forceblock) = 150, not sure though.
Superman OWAW = 180, gets additional points due to that specific story arc, where he was portrayed as more powerful than he usually is while sundipped. If you doubt that number, ask yourself just how much damage he could do to WW Hulk / B & T Thor.
Doomsday HP = 220, destroyed Superman and Darkseid.
Void-Sentry = 220, broke Hulk and completely overpowered Thor.
Stable-Sentry = 220, went even with the Void and beat him most of the time.
Good list. I disagree with some of it though. I do think a Sentry later on after the WWH arc would have done a lot better against WWH. Waaaaaaayyyy better. I'm one of those peeps that views Sentry, even before his current state as above Herald tier.
For the record, I find your list pretty darn solid...just throwing a few other names out there to see what the board thinks.
So far, I'd add to your list the following:
Juggs -classic
Hyperion
Drax -full power
Mangog
Others to consider:
Hercules -after taking 100 viagra (his penis alone could rip apart the universe)
Bane -on negga venom 1 million (giving him WBH strength)
Big Barda -during her time of the month, right after Herc strolls up and calls her "baby cakes"
Hey let's stay friendly. Opinions differ, live and let live. He has some good points in his list imo. I can get some insights from it. Even when I do not agree with some DC-Marvel scores.
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Feel free to show my anything other than the infamous WIS moment, that validates Superman having planetary level strength.
However I will take Superman's showings in the same issue apart:
Here we have Superman taking on a big ass dragon. He says that he he has to end it fast and that he takes no chances. He strikes with a blow, that can topple a small mountain: http://i.imgur.com/MB2LH.jpg
Now here is my problem with the entire story:
Superman was benchpressing the planet for 5 days straight without any exposure to sunlight (which as I always tend to say is absolutely ridiculous and pathetic in itself, because I personally used to respect Superman for what he was and not for what he lifts, but it looks like things have changed in the new 52).
So Superman must have casually been doing it and stopped at one point. Then he went after a short sundipped. I get that he was exhausted, but judging by other context in stories he wasn't THAT exhausted anymore. So even during day 3 or day 4 he must have had planetary level strength. Even on day 5, but he still couldn't break free from the dragon, even though he went into space for a sundip and he was on Earth for a while, passivly getting solar radiation.
Does this now mean that the Snake has planetary level strength as well?
Does this now also mean that Superman, who is ALWAYS casually capable of benchpressing the Earth only faces opponents, who are capable of doing the same (Wonder Woman, Orion, Shazam, AQUAMAN FFS)?
"But Enzeru, he holds back on them."
But idiot, while he holds back he is passivly causing millions of property damage and endangering the lives of innocents.
On top of all that Superman's punching capability is pathetic. Above in the post you could see the narration stating that his punch can destroy a small mountain. And context tells us that he is not holding back.
Here we have Superman stating that he can destroy mountains with his bare fists and reffers to it as a physical challenge: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...11111/111114397
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AND I'M NOT EVEN LOWBALLING! These are some of Superman's best feats! He has portrayed one ridiculous feat of strength, which didn't serve any purpose to the plot. It was just plain, old hyperbole.
During all of his encounters he has failed to portray such strength. First of all you would expect someone with planetary level strength to dish out more damage by default, but Superman can't do it. Grab onto your seats, DC fanboys, but Superman can't destroy the planet by punching it... SHOCKING, RIGHT?!
In all of the fights Superman was in, he could have used his planetary level strength to simply overwhelm his opponents and choke them out, since if we go by that ONE HYPERBOLIC, PURPOSELESS FEAT, then he is stronger, than he is capable of dishing out damage. That would have saved him from a lot of trouble.
But then if we look at all of his other strength feats (including the one I posted, where he says that he can lift city blocks and referrs to that as a physical challenge as well), then his striking ends up looking better than his overall strength feats, which seems to be the reason why he ends up punching his opponents.
Yes, I don't believe that DCnU Superman can keep up with Thor, when it comes to strength, simply because he hasn't been established yet. He needs more comical, over the top feats, which fit into the story. Right now DCnU characters are vastly below Marvel power houses (who kept their stupidly high feats throughout the decades).
It has nothing to do with me being a Marvel fan and biased towards their characters. I'm biased as in me wanting to see studios making more Marvel movies, or having more success with their comics. When it comes to feats I'm as neutral as it gets and try to look at the context.
Oh and for the record:
When it comes to striking I would even argue that pre DCnU Superman couldn't really keep up with some of the Marvel characters. For example Gladiator, who I have on the same strength level as Superman in this thread (while being at full confidence) seems to have much better striking than Superman, since he was capable of destroying a planet by simply punching it, while Superman and Supergirl and others had to gather momentum by flying at the speed of light in order to destroy planets.
Superman was not sundipping, just near the proximity of the sun. He didn't recharge fully, he had to go back even though he wanted to store more energy. This Dragon was Kryptonian in nature.
just sayin. g2g.
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My point was that Superman also wasn't sundipped during the fifth day of his Earth-bench-pressing-adventure.
Also him not being sundipped is the benefit of a doubt for him delivering a blow that could topple a small mountain, where he wasn't partially exhausted would have toppled regular mountains =P
But in the end of the day even Spider-Man beating Firelord has more credibility, because even though it was an absolutely WISy moment, it was there for the sake of the plot, just like many other things that happen, even though they shouldn't.
Superman on the other hand did something stupid and it did nothing for the plot. Pureee hyperbole. Just like Spider-Man he never backed that up again and it never shows during his fights.
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