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Originally posted by lawest9
Team 2 because of Odin.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Post Crisis Superman has feats beyond a billion billion Things.
If each Thing can press 100 tons. Then a billion billion 100 tons would be 10^20 tons. The Earth weighs more than that.

Mangog is actually weaker than most of the strongest high herald level beings.
1. He hits Mjolnir back EQUAL to Thor's own power
2. He fails to ko Thor after many hits.
3. He has no feats or showings of strength that shows he is more than 2x as strong as Thor.
4. He is very durable, much more durable in proportion to his strength.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin gets oneshotted by Validus

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Originally posted by JBL
let me guess, Validus beat superman right?

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Validus has beaten the entire PC LOSH. They're no match for him in a straight fight, they have to calm him down usually as he has the mind of a child. Odin could do that too, though.

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Originally posted by JBL
Validus is no match for Odin.

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Originally posted by Aakla
The are forced to team up when Mangog arives

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Validus is physically stronger than Odin but he doesn't have any counter for many of Odin's more exotic powers.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Really doesn't matter when Validus can simply punch Odin in the face who likes to go h2h with pretty much anyone.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
I thought CIS was off by default.

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Clarification of CIS


Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.

PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.

CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.

While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.

This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.

As Bada said:

"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."

What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.

In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:

The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience

Those four are key.

Example:

If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.

MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.

However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.

Examples:

Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.

Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.

It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Validus would tear Mangog apart.

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Originally posted by JBL
Mangog would tear Validus apart.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Do you know who Validus is and what he can do?

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Do you know who Validus is and what he can do?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
He is a troll, just ignore him.

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Originally posted by JBL
Troll? You are a DC loving bias troll. I know what Validus can do and Odin would STOMP him FAR FAR easier than he could Mangog.