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Thats a good question. I need to think of particular speed feats of both of theirs and compare them.

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Do you think Perfect Cell is faster than Broly?
As is the case with their strength/power, I think their speed would be comparable as well.

I see them as peers in almost every sense of the word.


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Except physical strength of course, Broly chumped the Z fighters physically. Cell obviously had it in techniques though.

At the risk of more hate, when Broly powers up his ki shroud actually takes the same form as Ussj Trunk's. That erratic spikey form.


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Yes, the forms look similar. You're certainly not the first one to notice this.

However, the similarity stops there.


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I agree with what Galan said, they seem almost identical.

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He flew into them, he didn't even do the typical teleport fight that is a staple of the series. 90% of his non blast offence are closelines and chokeslams.


So in other words a style over substance/stylistic portrayal over actual feats/powerscaling

Okay

Anyhow the fact that he outclassed the Z fighters in terms of speed and reactions (bullrushing them with them being unable to do a thing and dodge their attacks alot), who are easily in the Mach quads by the Frieza Saga, yeah

That and powerscaling and all that fun jazz

Oh wait, Mach 4 DBZ guiz, remember


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I'm not close minded, if someone has a quantifiable feat that doesn't involve power scaling I'll calc it.

I don't view Broly as skilled, he was literally so much physically stronger he knocked both Gohan and Trunks out by running into them.


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I don't view Broly as skilled, he was literally so much physically stronger he knocked both Gohan and Trunks out by running into them.
What I don't think you're understanding is that in the DBZ-verse, brute strength is all but meaningless if you're not fast enough to land any hits on your opponent.

Example: when Trunks transformed into an USSJ, he made the mistake of sacrificing speed for strength--so despite wielding raw power =/> Cell's at the time, the added musculature slowed Trunks down to such an extent that he couldn't even touch Cell. He was effectively useless:
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When Goku transformed into an USSJ inside the HTC, he immediately recognized the weaknesses of this form:
http://i.imgur.com/GwFbXmJ.gif
http://i.imgur.com/c2A6OEk.gif
http://i.imgur.com/QEoAIm6.gif


That said, Broly may have been 'bulky', but he was still fast enough to effortlessly hit/dodge/shit-stomp all of the Z fighters simultaneously. Why/how? Because despite the size he gained, LSSJ didn't slow Broly down at all--it only made him faster. Furthermore, transforming into a USSJ takes a massive expenditure of energy/ki(as Goku noted), which hinders the Saiyan's stamina tremendously. As an LSSJ, Broly didn't have that weakness either--he could seemingly retain that form indefinitely, and just continue powering up as needed. Those are the benefits of the LSSJ transformation over pretty much any other form of SSJ.


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Galan 100% on point here.

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Originally posted by Galan007
What I don't think you're understanding is that in the DBZ-verse, brute strength is all but meaningless if you're not fast enough to land any hits on your opponent.

Example: when Trunks transformed into an USSJ, he made the mistake of sacrificing speed for strength--so despite wielding raw power =/> Cell's at the time, the added musculature slowed Trunks down to such an extent that he couldn't even touch Cell. He was effectively useless:
http://i.imgur.com/0axbpWa.gif
http://i.imgur.com/cIlf3HF.gif
http://i.imgur.com/LQ8WRrA.gif
http://i.imgur.com/OHRgkI0.gif
http://i.imgur.com/2rogpcI.jpg

When Goku transformed into an USSJ inside the HTC, he immediately recognized the weaknesses of this form:
http://i.imgur.com/GwFbXmJ.gif
http://i.imgur.com/c2A6OEk.gif
http://i.imgur.com/QEoAIm6.gif


That said, Broly may have been 'bulky', but he was still fast enough to effortlessly hit/dodge/shit-stomp all of the Z fighters simultaneously. Why/how? Because despite the size he gained, LSSJ didn't slow Broly down at all--it only made him faster. Furthermore, transforming into a USSJ takes a massive expenditure of energy/ki(as Goku noted), which hinders the Saiyan's stamina tremendously. As an LSSJ, Broly didn't have that weakness either--he could seemingly retain that form indefinitely, and just continue powering up as needed. Those are the benefits of the LSSJ transformation over pretty much any other form of SSJ.
Broly's flight speed was very fast but idk if Ussj was nerfed in travel speed, Broly stuck his arm out and flew into guys. Did Broly counter punch anyone?

The Z fighters repeatedly flew into Broly & Goku even locked arms with him for some reason...


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I don't think he countered anyone. He was too busy thrashing them


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Broly's flight speed was very fast but idk if Ussj was nerfed in travel speed, Broly stuck his arm out and flew into guys. Did Broly counter punch anyone?

The Z fighters repeatedly flew into Broly & Goku even locked arms with him for some reason...
Is it even possible to have a decrease in battle speed, but inextricably have an increase in travel speed? Seems completely contradictory to me. Regardless, USSJ Trunks' general speed WAS nerfed, and drastically so. He may have had a great deal of raw power, but he sacrificed his speed to get it--this rendered him utterly useless against Cell. On top of that, Goku also made the same observation about the form's lack of relevant speed, after transforming into an USSJ inside the HTC. In a nutshell: the transformation was complete shit.

As for LSSJ Broly's battle speed:
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LSSJ>>>>>USSJ, period.

I am by no means a Broly fan, but the low-balling is getting annoying. He was fast whether you like it or not.


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Broly beats thor with his pinky


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Is it even possible to have a decrease in battle speed, but inextricably have an increase in travel speed? Seems completely contradictory to me. Regardless, USSJ Trunks' general speed WAS nerfed, and drastically so. He may have had a great deal of raw power, but he sacrificed his speed to get it--this rendered him utterly useless against Cell. On top of that, Goku also made the same observation about the form's lack of relevant speed, after transforming into an USSJ inside the HTC. In a nutshell: the transformation was complete shit.

As for LSSJ Broly's battle speed:
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LSSJ>>>>>USSJ, period.

I am by no means a Broly fan, but the low-balling is getting annoying. He was fast whether you like it or not.


Well, in comics, Val Armorr somehow had Flash level combat speed, yet couldn't run anyway near as fast or use speed tricks.


And in Super, that light speedster could run, but not really beat Gohan in h2h combat speed.


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