Why do they need lifting feats?
Their punches hurt often more times than their blasts. Of which Broly could casually destroy planets with his blasts.
Even if they could only lift a ton, their punching force is easily answered by the speed in which it's being delivered ala Flash.
Hey look Gorr tracking two very small FTL moving bodies and throwing chunks of moon at them which they shatter, proving both sides of the battle have FTL reaction-time and combat speed.
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Why. Their punches hurt because they are energy fighters and energytanks, they suck physically comapred to heralds. Their punches hurt more because their blunt force durability isn't on the same level as their energy one. SSJ4 Goku couldn't lift a city, a part of it was too much. Their strength isn't good enough to even scratch someone like thor. They would break their bones. When Thor with his planetary strength hits a DBZ char they would most likely die. Like you pointed out, a punch hurts them more.
Mjlonir can absorb it but again, he isn't going to be reacting to the amount of blast a coming at him. Also, what blasts has Thor absorbed that's comparable to Broly's blasts that usually take up the entire battle field?
If Broly rush Thor 10/10 he is going to land his attack along with whatever else attack he dishes out. This isn't Superman or Gladiator, someone that you can use the 'in character' argument against. Broly will use his speed (especially since he will have info on Mjlonir per forum rules).
So when Thor fought these people, they were fighting like DBZ characters. I feel got darn safe at saying that if a Z fighter doesn't want Thor seeing them, it ain't hapoening. [/B][/QUOTE]
Mjolnir doesn't need to be physically at every blast to absorb it, if he had to constantly move his hammer to catch the energy, then yes I agree he'd be overwhelmed, but Mjolnir can just draw the blasts into it.
Broly's blasts take up the entire battlefield, once they detonate.
In their initial form, they're usually not anything more than small spheres of energy that would easily get sucked into Mjolnir.
He definitely could, he could also run into an uppercut that cracks his jaw /shrug.
They were actually indeed fighting more or less like Broly lol. Very fast bullrushes that ended in counters.
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Something like this. Repeated and recurring gravity training (from 10 to IIRC a maximum of 300 Gs) and and base Goku's on panel struggle with 40 tons during the Buu saga say a fair bit about the relative power of their muscles v.s. their ki blasts, which can end planets weighing in the sextillions of tons. There's some serious discrepency between the two.
Which incidentally points to a single hammer blow killing Broly.
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Get some backing on that and get back to me. Physical weakness just because they get hurt, lol. Energy fighters/tanks is the excuse I'm asking for proof of btw.
And SS4 is overridden considering Bills destroyed like 4 or so planets in a second by flying through them. Or because it's non canon.
Or Goku in a base state slowing down a massive island that Frieza tk chucked at him at high speeds with no flight being used.
Again though, even if they were weak it's easily explained to be the same as Flash. Lol at Broly not even scratching Thor though when the exact argument can be made for the many people under even 100 tons have hurt him. Backed up by people who have been going lightspeed since Dragonball.
Space FTL is a damn trope. It can't be seriously referred to as real perception/reflex speed because it would make far too many damn characters have nigh infinite reflex speed if you take the all the implications into account.
For phuck's sake, even Godzilla has enemies that are lightspeed+...in space. On the ground they wouldn't even be able to outrun an F1 race car, or just barely keep up, maybe.
John Stewart was FTL in justice league unlimited, in space, he was still obviously much slower than a Wally that was lightspeed at absolute best when he was cutting loose, and still slower than even the more usual triple digit mach Wally.
Vilgax and Aggregor were massively FTL in space in Ben 10. Both slower than even a triple digit at best mach alien like Fasttrack.
Thor was clearly much slower than a triple digit mach Quicksilver. Who easily dodged Thor's lightning and mocked his speed, and noted that he's been dodging lightning since he was a kid as a reason for why he could easily dodge Thor's. --Thor is obviously not going to move faster than his own lightning on the ground.
Thor is fast, no doubt. But you are never going to see him do practical speed feats like punching in a nanosecond (which would make him a few times faster than light), do something massively FTL like rebuilding an entire city or evacuating an entire city from a nuclear explosion in a small time frame or anything like that. Though he does have a feat where he built some tower by hand, brick by brick, in what was maybe a few minutes. He also casually caught a tank shell fired at him.
He also has an extremely old feat of throwing a punch in a moment the narration called a 'microsecond', but it may have been hyperbole, flowery embellishment due to the era, IIRC, even Steve Rogers had moments where his movements would be called in extremely quick time frames like microseconds or lower, obviously hyperbole.
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I'd clear more distance walking to the closest Walmart to my house than I would walking those planets' circumference.
Goku in his base state slowed down a massive island? When's that? The anime I'd imagine, since no lifting feat nearly that good exists in the manga. The anime is also noncanon by the way, but so is Broly, so arguably anime feats could apply to him.
It's funny, for all people talk about the "striking strength" of DBZ characters (Who aren't FTL until the time of Battle of Gods), no one here has even mentioned the best one in the manga, which I horde in secret like a kid at fat camp does a candybar.
If Thor in GoT only flew that fast you'd have a point. Since he also reacted while doing so to an attack that homed in on him flying that fast you don't have one.
It is just one feat though. God of Thunder Thor was definitely faster than most incarnations of the character. Thor's obviously slower than other people in his weight class like, say, Superman. I was just showing carver that the feats do exist.
Where in his fight with Gor is he ever reacting to a FTL attack?
Him knocking Gorr light years away and then following him is simply still linear flight speed, just following an attack. Ergo, still a damn trope feat.
Even so, something like throwing an attack while flying FTL doesn't give FTL reflexes. Especially if that guy you are attacking is moving equally FTL to you.
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Things work differently when they're moving FTL in a direction opposing the direction you're moving. They're not keeping pace, there's only a brief window of intersect.
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No one is denying that Mjlonir will allow Thor to fly faster than light or Ironman boosters allows him to fly FTL or Firelord staff allows him to TRAVEL at light speed. Wait a minute, do you know the difference between travel and combat speed?
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There's some serious discrepency between the two. 
