It's pretty well documented that lesbians can lift heavy things. In fact, "lesbian" comes from the latin word "lesbianis". It translates, roughly, to "she who lifts heavy things."
Also, yes. Chivalry is sexist.
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I thought real chivalry had little to do with women and that the only mention of women was defending the weak (a knight who practiced for a decade or more would most certainly be much much stronger and aptly skilled than the noble females that they were grouping with the "weak" in that code...it also included children, sick, and old).
Allow me to show you what I am talking about:
Knight: "Men, we have practiced our art for 15 or more years, every one of us. Protect the weak and do right by God and country."
Modern Idiot: "ZOMG! They are calling women weeeaaaaak! Bastards!"
Is Chivalry sexist? **** not it is not sexist. No body uses the word correctly, these days. A warfare code intended for a warrior class is hardly applicable, today.
A better label is, "Victorian Gender Roles: Are they Sexist?"
Yes. They definitely are. Get over it.
Should everyone stop being gentlemanly? Nope. Many women enjoy that. Educate the people, make sure everyone is given an egalitarian opportunity, and let people figure out what they want. Eventually, the men will adjust, appropriately. I am seeing a backlash, from American females, against the feminist movement, lately. It has only popped up in the last 3-5 years. Women, after experiencing too much shit from the male gender (not gentlemanliness), they want the Victorian-esque gender roles back...at least partially.
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Last edited by dadudemon on Aug 8th, 2014 at 10:22 PM
If you're being nice to women specifically because then you're not being nice in general, you're treating women differently because of their gender.
Which is what this thread is about. Chivalry is defined here as "giving women special treatment because they're women". Under that definition, is giving women special treatment because they're women sexist?
I'm not sure where you're getting confused at.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Sexism is defined as discrimination and/or disdain toward an individual or group of people because they are a certain gender. It should be bad because discriminating or disdaining someone based on something like gender is unreasonable and morally reprehensible.
Also, "every action" doesn't fit into a black-and-white "good or bad" state. However, not everything should be within a grey area either and I think sexism is definitely something I wouldn't consider in the "grey area."
You've essentially implied that believing sexism is bad is a nonsensical, naive opinion so don't ask me why I'm even bothering to give you the time of day.
Bentley is normally one of the most level headed and logical people in these types of discussions. I had to go back and read his words. It doesn't make sense.
Maybe he meant "Chivalry does not have to be bad"? That makes more sense and fits better with what he was saying. I think he misspoke.
Though he may have meant that and my image of Bentley being this nigh omnibenevolent being has been shattered...
I think he's referring to gender roles when he says sexism.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Lemme look through again because I just clicked quote links to get to the original post of his...
Edit - I see, I see. I missed that middle post where he said "people should not view sexist as bad." That was the second time he used it that way so it is not a language barrier issue.
Bentley, sexism is pretty much always bad. I am hard-pressed to think of any situation in which it would be acceptable.
Wait!
WAIT! I thought of one. During a mass execution, when people are being executed one by one, sexism should be brought up and it should always be ladies first....that should give me enough time to escape...
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Last edited by dadudemon on Aug 9th, 2014 at 05:27 AM
When you define something as disdain towards another it's going to sound pretty bad no matter what. This is why I consider definitions to be unreasonable and morally reprehensible, they pollute the conceptual honesty of dialogue by putting up bias against stuff. They are a form of discrimination!
*Ahem*
My argument was that things don't fit the mold of good or bad. The oposition was meant to enhance the distance between a concept and its use to describe our every action.
Then you -more or less- said sexism is bad.
Then my argument becomes "things don't fit the mold of sexist not sexist".
All that, regarding to my previous post.
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There is a chance I had a trouble at translating what I meant, so let's try again. I was under the impression that sexism meant something akin to "the belief that certain sex is superior per gender and sexual features compared to the other(s) sex(es)", and in order to avoid philosophical issues we'll add "and the performance of actions according to that belief". If this was way off the common definition then I grossly missaplied the concept.
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While I think chivalry is sexist, I don't necessarily think that means that people that are chivalrous are sexist. Definitely not consciously usually. But it still contributes to and is caused by sexist gender roles.
I think people who are not sexist at all are usually not what we call chivalrous, but courteous to everyone.
I wouldn't say Chivalry is sexist as much as it is just being nice.
If I offer to help an old woman put her groceries away I don't think I'm being mean as to say "YOU CANT DO THIS WITHOUT DYING PROBABLY."
It's just helpful. Giving a woman your seat or opening the door is just being courteous. I'd do the same for a guy but I doubt anyone would call that "chivalrous."
I mean, would someone say "Women and Children first" is sexist?
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