No not by police, but black lives should matter regardless of who does the shooting. The cops also had the right to shoot the thug who pulled out a gun. So they protested the death of someone who the cops had the right to shoot.
So black lives matter when the cops shoot a thug who pulls a stolen gun on them, but not when some guy that guns down an innocent girl who to my knowledge has not been caught. So protest the piece of shit thug, but not the girl..that is the mentality. That is the problem with the community, not rap music. It's the mentality they can do no wrong and the cops can do no right, and they are always the victims except when it is blacks killing other blacks because they are too stupid to even aim a weapon properly.
They won't destroy shit when the gangbangers don't get caught, strange huh?
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No, it's not strange, again, because the protests are regarding the ease with which police officers shoot black people as well as that they then often get away with these shooting. So they are completely unrelated.
But this was a justified shooting, so it makes no sense to protest this specific event.
If they are upset over the ease in which cops get away with this, why are they not upset with the ease that gang bangers get away with it? These people are not always caught, most of they go free because nobody will say a god damn word about it. I see this all the time in Chicago, so why the hell can't they multi-task and tackle these issues? More blacks kill blacks and the murders go unsolved compared to cops killing people without justification.
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Maybe you're correct. But since the protests are about the readiness and lower threshold of police to shoot black people and since it's hard to tell when police is actually justified, and when they just preemptively shoot a black person it's not that clear cut.
Yeah, well, we can multitask, some people obviously feel their time is better spent to protest the police that is charged with protecting people (including black people) when they fail to do their duty.
But then it goes back to what I say about them being so quick to jump on the victim bandwagon without knowing the facts. Whenever a cop shoots a black man now it must automatically be "he was a good boy, he was innocent, he never hurt nobody, he was a gentle giant".
Them feeling the time protesting is better spent protesting cops speaks volumes. The cops cause NOWHERE NEAR the amount of violence that these gang bangers, etc. do. The cops are supposed to protect them, but they have to LIVE with these citizens. The cops aren't killing friggin kids with stray bullets.
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The image of the dangerous drugged up black brute is so ubiquitous that it influences police officers in the pursuit of their duty, it makes a lot of sense to show the humanity of the people that get killed.
But then what you just said multiples by about a thousand when it comes to the crime committed by the ordinary citizens.
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Fair enough, but the gang bangers still kill far far far(and about a billion more fars) people with their stray bullets then cops. A lot of these drive bys happen quick and either leave no witnesses or people are afraid to talk, and they get away with it far more often then police officers and nobody talks about it to the degree they talk about cops killing criminals.
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But that is influenced by distrust in police. If you can't be sure the police will help you (or worse have to be worried they'll wrongfully shoot you when you call them) that creates a climate that will support this kind of lawlessness.
This is still a big cop out though. It's no excuse to focus on one thing and not focus on something that kills far more people and does far more damage to the community.
The community flat out does more damage to themselves then the cops. Of course the go to answer for that is to blame it on the cops. It's the victim mentality I spoke of.
Perhaps the cops would be more friggin trusting of them if the citizens rose up about the utter garbage their community is infested with.
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Yeah but it is supposed to be the cops job to protect the innocent from the threats.
The cops should not be perceived as a threat themselves. Which when they are is a huge problem. It creates distrust between the officers and the people they are supposed to protect.
So while black on black crime is a problem it is a serious problem when some you can not count on the people that are supposed to be helping stop that problem as well.
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I think people are entitled to focus on the issues that they are most interested in. I am sure a lot of the protesters are also worried about crime rates and similar, however there's very little chance that a protest like this would convince criminals to turn a new leaf, while it may recruit the public to their cause and put pressure on police officers to behave less Rambo-y.
I'm not acknowledging the police thing isn't a problem. But are there so little black people in this country that they can't protest something that does the most friggin damage to their community? Once again though people try to shift the blame to the police.
You know why the can't count on the police? Because there is so many god damn criminals in this city so quick to pullout a friggin gun over stupid shit. Trust goes both ways.
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Exactly, you just illustrated the problem. The problem being they seem to be more interested in the victim mentality then the everyday problems they face more often.
Protesting cops doing shady things is 100% valid. But now they have tainted it by jumping on the bandwagon every time a cop is involved in the death of a black person regardless of circumstances. It's like the boy who cried wolf.
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I think you are misinterpreting my post. What I said is that a protest against criminals has little chance of being successful, it's not the right tool to use to fight crime. A protest against police brutality and abuses of authority on the other hand can be extremely effective.
The reason I found out about this guy is because I was just listening to some random rap and I actually liked him. Here we have a clear case of a rapper who was influenced by gangsta rap and actively lived the life it portrayed. A far more recent example is of course the case of Bobby Schmurda, whose hit song portrayed the life that would eventually lead to a long incarceration. Same can be said about Gucci Mane and and Max b and numerous others. This is not counting the countless number of rappers who were previously criminals, such as 50 Cent.
A crime enterprise who associated with rappers such as Jay Z, Fabulous, and Young Jeezy, amongst others. Rick Ross even made a song celebrating them. The kind of criminal activities they committed were and are depicted and glorified by said rappers and many others.
Music targeted at a specific demographic glorifying rather vilifying the very real crime and street violence occurring in impoverished neighbourhoods is without a doubt, going to inspire people of that demographic, especially those in impoverished neighbourhoods where ignorance and desperation thrive because the gangsta rap music that glorifies crime and violence traps them in culture that likes crime and violence, and DEFINITELY when you've been listening to said music and experiencing the culture since youth.
Then that leads to my original post. As shown, record companies purposely flood the market with this stuff, even getting people who never were or are no longer are criminals to keep glorifying the lifestyle, which results in the culture of street violence plaguing black America.
As stated, there is a difference between a kid playing GTA, which one can automatically tell is fake, or listening to Metallica, whose lyrics are grim storytelling, but again not literal, and perpetually listening to music that glorifies and celebrates the very real criminal activity occurring in their neighborhood. The music isn't just noise with a beat. It created a culture, one that has blacks trapped in one of violence and ignorance because crime seems cool.
Then, cops see blacks committing crimes and then hear blacks enjoying music that glorifies those exact crimes, and then a stereotype is formed. Then blacks wonder why cops treat them with such disrespect and in return get hostile, which leads to a new cycle of violence.
Why? Because a culture of glorification of crime and violence has been created and now blacks are trapped in it. How? As shown with the two videos, the media purposely suppresses positive rap and floods the market with ignorance, which of course leads to ignorance, as shown with the article.
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I completely agree with this. As stated though, it is that music and culture, that causes them to ignore and in fact create, rather than solve their problems. It's a large and complex issue, but I believe gangsta rap plays a rather prominent part in it.
And who are they going to protest to? Are they going to protest to the government so the government can pass laws against criminals again?
I feel like you're problem is that they aren't acknowledging the problem of Black on Black crime. I think it's a side issue and everyone knows it is a problem. It's doesn't take away from the gravity of the issue that is police brutality, especially against African Americans. In fact the cops should be the people helping stop the first problem you want addressed. All it does create mistrust where there shouldn't be mistrust.
Trust goes both ways but the problem is that people getting killed aren't the ones betraying that trust. It's not the innocent or unarmed person betraying that trust. They are in fact doing what they are supposed to be doing and not pulling weapons out. It's the job of the cop to realize who is who and exercise restraint. They have been failing at that part of their job.
I admit some cops have been failing, but people in the community have been failing as well. It's the chicken and the egg. I'm not saying a protest for the non cop issue could make any changes in the government or anything, but I'm wondering where is the outrage, where is the looting, where is all that over this?
People can protest when a community gets out of control, it doesn't have to be directed at any specific person. But it's a much bigger problem that needs attention drawn to it, which protesting can do.
Plus like I said before, this is leading to people protesting no matter what, regardless of the circumstances. That doesn't help when you have people protesting stuff like that does it? Every time a cop kills a black man now it's automatically an act of racism and the person was innocent.
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