Well I've said it before in this thread but let's be serious here the cop issue will provoke more of an outrage. For one criminals are expected to act like criminals so when someone robs your house you're upset over it but it is what it is.
A cop is supposed to be there to help protect you from the criminal element so when they fail and it is a perceived problem with the entire organization there is a loss of fundamental trust.
There is also a feeling of helplessness against the cops because they have actual government issued power so there is more of a pull to be loud and bring attention to abuse of power.
The thing is though like time just said, it's not a huge percentage of cops doing this. It's just like school shootings, with the media now people think they are happening way more often, but they actually are happening a good deal less then they have in the 1960s to 2000's. It's not a vast percentage of cops going out and killing people for no reason.
Also if you want to talk about what cops are supposed to do fine, but citizens are also supposed to follow the law. Being a cop isn't easy in these crime filled neighborhoods.
The cops provoke more of an outrage and take attention away from the much bigger issues going on that nobody wants to talk about as much. Then we get the victim mentality of protesting stuff before they even know the details of if the cop was wrong. They protested a guy who friggin pulled a gun on the cops and was killed in the fire fight. That is what this has come to and it has gone too far on both sides now. It's just like the woman said in that video..you talk about police brutality, what about black brutality? Did you watch the video of her? I think everyone should.
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Last edited by Surtur on Aug 24th, 2015 at 08:36 PM
Except we still have the high numbers of citizens killed by police per captia compared to other first world countries so it is an issue.
Citizens are supposed to follow the law but they are supposed to also receive fair justice based on the crime they commit. Getting killed over minor infractions that would barely get you jail time is an extreme problem.
Once again it is the job of the cops to show the proper restraint considering the power they wield.
Which is the bigger issue. People feel powerless against cops ability to abuse their power. Which causes people to be more vocal against cops.
EDIT: Let me address another part you keep bringing up. This feeling of mutual trust that both sides are destroying.
Let me ask you something. If there was a parent with ten children. One of the children grows up a bad apple. The parent sends that child away. Next another child takes a cookie from the cookie jar but the parent decides beat that child senseless for doing so because the parent is afraid the child is like the bad child they sent away. There is very little the children can do against the adult other than protesting against that adult to other adults.
There needs to be mutual trust but when one side holds vastly more power in the relationship they have the higher burden of not abusing that power and trust.
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I don't think you want to play the stat game because blacks kill more blacks then anyone else. Nobody is saying the cops aren't an issue. But there are BIGGER issues. Did you watch that video? Peggy nails it 100%.
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Also it is a big issue but so are cops abusing power. And considering what cops are supposed to represent it doesn't surprise me it is protested more.
I also think it is a side step to try and somehow discredit justifiable protests by saying there are bigger issues you should be focusing on so ignore this one.
I read your edit now and like I have said I recognize there are major trust issues. I also know the cops have a lot of power. However, the cops also can't be everywhere at once and in fact they sometimes don't do their job to the fullest extent because *they* don't trust the people either. They have now gotten so swept up in the outrage that whenever a cop kills a black man it's time to go protest it. I'm not discrediting protests against legit things, just saying there are other issues too. This protest was NOT justifiable and we both know it won't be the only time this crap happens. I'm not discrediting it, it discredits itself when they do shit like that.
I'm also not saying they shouldn't be concerned, just that there are other major issues, one huge elephant in the room. I also ask again if you watched the video?
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Just because she used a line from a song doesn't mean it shows the influence of gangsta rap. It means she was using a song as an example of the attitude people have. It's not like people weren't saying "screw the cops" before that song, so that doesn't prove anything. This also brings me back to blame shifting. It's the cops, it's poverty, it's rap.
I think this woman is 100% correct in her rant and we need more people to stand up for stuff like this instead of piece of shit thugs.
Plus this woman also showed another thing: she had 7-8 kids and only 1 ended up in prison. Why not all of them, then? Keep in mind she mentioned there was a FATHER in the picture, which most of the time in these cases there is not. Makes you kind of wonder if maybe that is the reason only 1 of the 8 kids ended up in prison instead of most of them. Maybe that is the reason a lot of single parent households with no fathers in these communities end up with kids who are criminals.
With the Momma always yelling about how good her kids are. Ever see the video of the woman with 15 kid(by different men of course) screaming "somebody gotta pay for my kids!" and living in a friggin hotel? Studies also show this can lead to incest in these communities. Which is another thing nobody wants to talk about, it's just police brutality. Forget the every day brutality, like Peggy says you have murder murder murder murder on every channel every day and it's not done by cops, but by those people whose lives they say matter.
But hey if you want to blame gangsta rap fine, that still comes back to: it's the community. Since the majority of gangsta rappers are black. Nobody forces them to rap(can't blame whites for that).
I just want to note when I say "it's the community" I am not talking about the entire black race. Since, they don't have these issues with this much violence in every country in the world.
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Last edited by Surtur on Aug 25th, 2015 at 12:44 PM
But I always see studies saying the actual amount of police brutality has NOT increased in recent years. Yes, compared to other countries we do have a higher number, which makes sense since don't we have a lot more guns, etc. then other countries? Not to mention as I've learned on this board some countries have cops that don't carry guns or are trained in ways to try to avoid using them, which also isn't the case here.
While the numbers of blacks killing blacks doesn't go down, but up. It's an epidemic while police brutality is not. If a vastly important issue doesn't have an easy fix it doesn't mean you ignore it and focus on shit that is doing far far less damage.
So I just have to ask, do you agree with the points the woman in the video made?
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Last edited by Surtur on Aug 25th, 2015 at 12:49 PM
Are you talking about the same woman I posted? Her name is Peggy Hubbard. Unless there is a second Facebook rant that went viral.
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Are you just saying this one protest was unjustified if so that is a different then what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the overall picture. Yeah there are going to be times a certain protest is going to be wrong but that doesn't discredit them all.
There are other major issues that doesn't make this issue a bad one that needs to be taken care of. You can focus on multiple issues. Also police brutality is a major issue because it is a government organization with a lot power overstepping their boundaries and that is something that that needs to be taken care of quickly.
As to the video she makes some valid points. Violent crimes among citizens is also a problem but that has already been said.
As to the bulk of the video it screams the same thing we already hear. The 'Thugs and Criminals' brought their deaths on themselves and no one should care for them. It's an broad statement of hate that doesn't look at the context of events. Like unarmed civilians getting shot for what should be minor infractions.
Other parts of the video were simply her trying to show how tough she is with only her account of the events to justify her ranting which is a poor way to engage events. Like her son going to prison being all his fault. We don't know what kind of parent she was and whether or not she did a horrible job raising the child. So overall nothing I haven't heard before just little with a little more venom and hate.
I like I said it's like people are trying invalidate the entire movement against police brutality by being loud and saying there are other problems that needs addressed. Of course there are!!!!!!!!! That doesn't mean this issue is not a legitimate concern that needs to be tackled.
Actually the overall violent crime rate in America has dropped dramatically over the previous two decades this includes Black on Black crime. And police brutality and abuse of power does a huge amount of damage to a community.
Yes police brutality does do damage, but the citizens of the community do far far more damage. But this woman was not talking about minor infractions though, this guy pulled a gun on the cops and got into a fire fight with them, that isn't a minor infraction. If you want to talk about parenting skills well yeah, we don't know how good of a parent she was, but at least an actual father was in the picture in this case, which isn't the case most of the time. You see a lot of kids without fathers in these communities. Either the mother doesn't even know who the father is or the father just isn't around. But it just goes to show the effect good/bad parenting can have on the community, which is another thing cops can't be blamed for.
I never said police brutality is not a concern, what I am saying is there are other things out there doing far more damage to the communities then the cops. The cops aren't out murdering people every single day, killing innocent kids every single day, etc.
You say this protest doesn't discredit them all, but I think it overall taints it. Now we are in a situation of "protest every time a black man is killed by a cop" and that sure as hell is not helping anything.
Do the cops sometimes go way too far? Yes, but the bigger picture is the utter epidemic of crime and murder in these communities.
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Last edited by Surtur on Aug 25th, 2015 at 08:41 PM
Well there are a number of factors that contribute to bad areas lack police protection and competency is a major one.
She mentioned the guy using the gun but then went on to talk about all thugs and criminals who had a shot to backdown before getting killed. I'm assuming she meant the unarmed men that were killed as those have been the cases talked about most.
There are many major concerns, police brutality is up there with the others.
The problem is white police brutality seems to be the only concern. They turn a blind eye to their own race and concern themselves with nothing but what white cops do.
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I don't think that's actually true, I think a lot of members of these communities are aware of the high crime rate and are trying to fight it as well. The problem is that a lot of white people have a knee jerk reaction of "oh yeah, their crime rate is high they should sort their shit out themselves" instead of actually tackling the problems that white communities and people cause for black communities.
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