I think if you look at it through my perspective for a second, you might be able to enjoy both characters.
In the story, I think that Vitiate has reshaped the sith culture. He took it to the next level and when Sidious turned the republic into a sith organization, he took a lot from that culture.
The concept of ultimate sith antagonists in Star Wars is really narrow so some similarities are inevitable. I see them as the 2 main evil dudes of SW and one is like a medieval king whose power comes openly from aristocracy and doesn't require a lot political manipulation where the other is more of a modern corporate evil being who rules in secret and has to have a separate public image from his hidden identity until he takes over the world/galaxy and enforces his will through values and ideas like democracy, peace, fear of terrorism(separatists) etc.
Why would I be butthurt? At best, he tacitly agrees with SUPREMESKILLZ assessment that Vitiate is stronger than Sidious. This is also the same guy who thinks Bane, Revan, and Vader are more or less equal. While he's certainly an authority on the characters he's written, I've never put stock on his estimation of where they rank to cross-era individuals. He's no Leland Chee.
More importantly, all he really does is confirm that Vitiate is a clone of Sidious all the way down to sharing the same driving fear. The fact that he genuinely thinks he's brought something new to the table is hilarious.
I'm familiar with your perspective, but it doesn't make much sense to me. At the end of the day, TOR's writers were given an opportunity to create their own unique storyline with unique characters. Vitiate is pretty much universally recognized as a total ripoff of Sidious and all Karpyshyn does is outright confirm it here. Why would I enjoy that? It's been done already and it's been done better.
Yeah, sorry SWTOR fanboys, Drew's subtle wank of Sidious does not contradict over a decade of sourcebooks naming Sidious as the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history.
You didn't get my point then. They're not inseparable clones. They are 2 different versions of the same concept of evil.
I agree with you on how BioWare has missed an amazing opportunity to make Vitiate unique but what they have created at least is, a combination of Nihilus and Sidious with some adjustments. I think you are unnecessarily overreacting here. Just enjoy.
Nah, bro, I just like to see new elements to the mythology rather than have the same shit recycled and pandered to the audience with the most minor of alterations. Sue me.
Well, I tried. Keep on with your hatred then but remember, when you're pissing on Vitiate, you're indirectly pissing on Sidious which is like the 2 worst crimes committed at once in my book.
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Don't you agree with that though? :? I thought that's basically where you put them anyway.
Also Sidious never really acts like he's afraid of losing power. If he was he wouldn't laugh his ass off in the middle of fights or constantly push people by being a giant shitlord all the time.
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Exactly. None of those feats are "godlike." I don't care if Sidious is the most powerful, or Vitiate is "the greatest opponent anyone has ever faced." Just back it up. With anything (besides and encylopedia). The most godlike thing he's ever done is torture people in his basement for hundreds of years.
Not really, BioWare has made a killing from ripping off the OT characters. Revan is their poster boy but a lot of elements were from Anakin. Malak and Malgus are blatant homages to Vader aesthetically. Canderous is a Mandalorian bounty hunter. Wonder where the fvck I've heard that before. They created their own Yoda to head the order, etc.
Not that they are necessarily bad characters but the motto for the writing team is to stick with popular Star Wars tropes and put their own backstory to it. It's been up and down. Revan for the most part is good. Vitiate is the bad but he's more of an aberration.
Now of course I would've gladly preferred the KOTOR 2 way where they flipped a lot of things around and truly made a unique entry to the Star Wars universe. Didn't rely on the uber Jesus main character and the companions were against the normal Star Wars traditions save for Atton. But the public didn't like KOTOR2 as much so they stuck with copying.
Well of course he isnt a god but he has reached a certain level of power that is unimaginable to most. IIRC, Revan couldnt believe it when he heard about him killing an entire Dark Council by himself.
No, I rank Revan above Vader and put them both well ahead of Bane.
Yeah, he's a maniacal ass who enjoys throwing down from time to time. He's also the dude who ran from Yoda when he thought he might lose. They're not mutually exclusive.
Revan, Malak, and Canderous were homages without being outright derivative.
Karpyshyn apparently labors under the delusion that ROTS is some sort of obscure indie film that no one but him saw.
Its not the same thing, Palpatine doesn't have an obsessive paranoia that makes him completely hide himself from the galaxy and operate through numerous proxies to minimise risk. Or at least, not in the well known texts. Being scared of losing power is something all Sith have, not a defining aspect of their personalities like in the case of Vitiate.
Palpatine removing himself from the greater affairs of the galaxy and the Empire and operating through intermediaries has been an aspect of the character for twenty years. And Viti being more paranoid and insecure than Sidious doesn't at all make that facet of the character exclusive or original. Especially when this element of Sith paranoia is lampshaded by Palpatine almost 10 years ago in a five minute speech in ROTS.
I know you're desperate to validate the character's existence, but you haven't really come close. We all know Viti's existence owes everything to Palpatine and we all know he's a pale imitation. This isn't the first time you've utterly failed to make your case and I'm sure it won't be the last. But I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to grasp when the similarities are so numerous and blatant as to be undeniable.
That's just the standard operating procedure of being the Emperor, not obsessive paranoia. Of course he's not going to dirty his hands with minutia and operate mainly through agents. He's the ****ing Emperor, duh. He still personally went to the second Death Star to turn Luke and wipe out the Rebels even though it put him in harms way, he still let GG kidnap him etc. That's not paranoia, that's arrogance, a far larger part of his character. Again, Palpatine being somewhat paranoid is a minor aspect of his character, with Vitiate it's a major part of both his character and the story around him. You might as well claim Vitiate is copying Palpatine by having powerful mind powers. Yeah, Palpatine has that but it's not a big part of his character or significant in any way. With Vitiate it's one of the central concepts of the character. It's completely different in how it's written, and thus not copying.
Aug 15th, 2014 12:35 AM
Keep on with your hatred then but remember, when you're pissing on Vitiate, you're indirectly pissing on Sidious which is like the 2 worst crimes committed at once in my book. 
