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Darth Vader and Count Dooku vs. Mace Windu and Anakin ROTS
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Sinious
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Too bad TCW really didn't hold true to that.


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Also, Dooku b****slapped them together and Anakin performed much better on his own.

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Dooku has shown on a few occasions that he can defeat Windu.


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Windu>Vader>Anakin>Dooku


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Also, Dooku b****slapped them together and Anakin performed much better on his own.

What do you mean? If you mean after Kenobi was incapacitated, that was because Anakin was afraid of Obi-Wan dying. Before Dooku actually brought in help because he was afraid of the duo defeating him.

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The Anakin Kenobi duo always underperforms in TCW for some maddeningly annoying reason.


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The Anakin Kenobi duo always underperforms in TCW for some maddeningly annoying reason.


That and Dooku is badass.


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That and Dooku is badass.

It's not just against Dooku.


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It's not just against Dooku.


Oh I know. But their performances against Ventress and Savage were clearly not all out.


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On the other hand, Windu>Vader>Anakin>Dooku which means team 2 is more powerful overall.



No way is Dooku bottom of that list.

Anakin has the most raw power, but is also the most inexperienced and Inconsistent, which is why he's lose a majority against any of the other 3.

Out of the other 3, Windu has the best powerset to fight Sidious, and is the only one capable of competing against the most powerful sith lord. But that doesn't put him above the other 2. And it's not the all and end all. If it was Maul would not be capable of engaging Mace, let alone Mace and Aayla Secura.

Windu and Dooku have actually been named as equals by countless sources.

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It goes like this roughly.

ROTJ Vader>/=Dooku=Mace>/=ROTS Anakin>ESB Vader>ANH Vader


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It goes like this roughly.

ROTJ Vader>/=Dooku=Mace>/=ROTS Anakin>ESB Vader>ANH Vader


Agreed.

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Dooku was still more powerful than Anakin in TCW / RotS. It just his weaknesses happened, lets say Dooku wins 7-10 against RotS Anakin.

Dooku also beats Obi-Wan 10-10, because Obi-Wan has nothing to threat Dooku's makashi.

And Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, I would say 6-10 Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan's defensive soresu style is the true answer for Anakin's agressive djem-so. Also Obi-Wan has more experience, and can use the environment (sokan mastery).


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He was not more powerful in ROTS.


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He was not more powerful in ROTS.


Power is vague term. In terms of Raw Power and Strength ROTS Anakin was probably greater than Dooku, Windu or Suited Vader.

Still I think Marco's right that Dooku would beat ROTS Anakin for a majority. Down to skill, experience, mastery of the force and generally being more consistent. Don't forget it was ROTS Anakin who was kick slammed and floored by Count Dooku and left helpless for a good 10 seconds.

And it was ROTS Anakin who couldn't beat Obi-Wan.

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Power is vague term. In terms of Raw Power and Strength ROTS Anakin was probably greater than Dooku, Windu or Suited Vader.

Still I think Marco's right that Dooku would beat ROTS Anakin for a majority. Down to skill, experience, mastery of the force and generally being more consistent. Don't forget it was ROTS Anakin who was kick slammed and floored by Count Dooku and left helpless for a good 10 seconds.

And it was ROTS Anakin who couldn't beat Obi-Wan.


I'm talking about physical power, also in terms of raw power int he force Anakin is more powerful.

Dooku is only more skilled, but that obviously meant little as ROTS Anakin smashed him into the ground


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I'm talking about physical power, also in terms of raw power int he force Anakin is more powerful.

Dooku is only more skilled, but that obviously meant little as ROTS Anakin smashed him into the ground


Dooku's skill and mastery with both the blade and the force is above ROTS Skywalker. He still takes a majority against him, considering up until the last 10 seconds of the duel Dooku was controlling that fight. Hell moments before he's disarmed we see him easily block Anakin's blow one-handed with a grin on his face.


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Dooku is not only more skilled also more powerful in the force than pre-suit Vader / RotS Anakin.

Count was able to force push and choke Obi-Wan, while Anakin didn't do anything.

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Dooku is not only more skilled also more powerful in the force than Anakin.

Count was able to force push and choke Obi-Wan, while Anakin didn't do anything.

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Anakin at his peak lost to Kenobi. He's clearly not even in the same league as the others in this thread.


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Dooku is only more skilled, but that obviously meant little as ROTS Anakin smashed him into the ground


Actually it was Dooku who smashed Anakin to the ground first. Whilst he was simultaneously stomping Kenobi. You know the Kenobi Skywalker couldn't defeat.

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I doubt, that ROTJ Vader is stronger then Mace or Dooku. According to Lucas, Anakin during ROTS was in his prime as lightsaber duelist. Vader is far more experienced and more skilled with the Force, but unfortunately we never - as I remember - seen him being able to break Force guard of some stronger fighters. And Anakin can defend himself against TK atacks really well.

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