Exar Kun and Obi Wan ROTS vs. Reborn Krayt and Kyle Katarn (sabers only)
Sabers only duel
Battle takes place in Wrigley Field
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Hm, I'd put Reborn Krayt at the best in sabers here, but the two on team 1 are better than Kyle (I'd say *overall* he's close to Obi-wan, but he uses the force more and this is sabers only). Choices, choices...
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How can Krayt, a primary Niman user, be better than the best Niman practitioner? Kun was also an exceptional Jar'kai user, evidently a master of the saberstaff as well.
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not saying I personally have Krayt>Kun as duelists, but what proof do you have that Kun was "the best" per se?
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Because he is the only user throughout the EU who ever evolved the form beyond the Jedi maxim of 'moderation' and made it far far more effective in the field.
He is essentially to Niman what Windu was to Vaapad.
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Are you trying to tell me that Krayt was "moderate" or that he was bound by the "Jedi maxim"?
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I am saying nothing in regards to Krayt, but nothing in the EU says he did what Kun did, infact nobody has been given this accolade but Kun, that's what makes him the Niman poster-boy.
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could you provide the quote for the accolade please?
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Registered: Aug 2014
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There is no one all encompassing quote about his abilities, it's more the amalgamation of numerous quotes on him.
Kun is the only one stated to be a genuine full master of Niman, we also get the statement that he was obviously an aggressive duellist. Then we know full well that if someone truly masters Niman they become jack of all trades.
Factor in the obvious that he does not like to incorporate Force powers in his duels and we see the top tier Niman practitioner.
Whilst Krayt gets the highly skilled practitioner statement, it clearly does not compare.
Kun is generally accepted to be the Niman practitioner and has been for quite some time.
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So could you provide any of these quotes for me? And I don't see how incorporating or not incorporating force powers in combat suggests skill or lack of with a lightsaber.
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Registered: Mar 2014
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That's not all Niman is about, that is merely an aspect of it. That being said arguing that Kun is the greatest Niman practitioner because he refrains from one of its aspects is a flawed argument that doesn't make much sense.
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Kun is a failure in terms of Niman. His style is completely different then the overall objections of it. He relies on power attacks and his unorthodox blade to overcome opponents.
Revan, while not the greatest master of course (he is a generalist, not a specialist), is at least a standard of what Niman is about: chaining Force powers in lightsaber combat.
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Registered: Mar 2014
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Niman is not all about chaining in force attacks. That is merely an aspect of it. Niman seems to be mostly about versatility and well-roundedness.
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Yes, but we are discussing combat situations here. One of the main advantages of Niman is that it allows you to focus primarily on Force abilities, yet still be able to win lightsaber duels (according to Drew, at least.) I liked this description a lot actually:
"This form works well for anyone who is intelligent and adaptable, as Revan obviously was. It has no real weaknesses, and even though it is not as aggressive as other forms it enables the user to unleash powerful Force abilities more easily during combat. Revan was skilled in lightsaber combat, but knew true strength came from using all the other Force abilities in conjunction with lightsaber combat. Form VI would allow Revan to spend less time focusing on lightsaber skills, and more time developing other Force powers."
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Aug 17th, 2014 06:39 AM
