I've never said he is a master of dueling. Saying that Maetra stomps though, is pure assumption as we have no information on how good Vitiate is with a saber.
Logically speaking, Vitiate really should be alright with a blade just because of his sheer power. That he fought the HoT while so close to her also suggests great speed.
Being all right doesn't change the fact that Surik actually has feats to back up her claim, but Vitiate doesn't. The fact that during the end of the duel Vitiate put so much distance between him and the Hero of Tython and relies on his Force abilities also doesn't lend credit to him being anywhere beyond average in sabers, where as the Exile is a master.
I also like how the claim, "Powerful people are great in sabers," is one I've never seen supported anywhere. There's a difference between aptitude towards learning and actually having that skill.
Meetra stomps because she is a master, while Vitiate for the most part is not shown to be. While I'm sure he knows how to use one, he's not shown to be anywhere near the Exile in terms of skill with a lightsaber, and considering this is a forum duel, that's enough for me.
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I said because Vitiate tried to keep distance and rely on the Force. His saber isn't even out during the end of the duel. Or more likely was knocked away.
With what? Meetra's feats with sabers is well above Vitiate's feats with sabers. So saying that she stomps there is a safe presumption. Saying, "Nope, that's speculation," doesn't change the fact that evidence actually supports the Exile and not Vitiate.
Ignoring the fact that they dueled for a long time and speculating that tiny detail isnt gonna make me change my mind.
I do agree that Meetra Surik is above Vitiate in this regard based on feats. However, I don't see how she stomps where HoT couldn't as HoT is well above Meetra, especially in dueling.
This thread explains, that Meetra can simply observe an Opponent's form and use it with great expertise, that surprised even the masters of the order.
You too, are basing your argument on assumption. Vitiate has no showing with a lightsaber and to say "He's a master of the force so he knows how to use one" is a ridiculous argument to make, He has no feats or accolades claiming or making him out to be a powerful swordsmen. i - like Freshestslice - believe him to be a capable duelist, but when it comes to dueling prowess Meetra has much more backing her up. regardless of what you believe the fact remains that Vitiate has no feats in terms of lightsabers, while Meetra has already done much more than him in terms of dueling. everything about the fight with the HoT is pure speculation as it is mostly game mechanics.
Can you quote where I've claimed anything about his dueling skills? I've only stated that it would be logical to think that he is good with the saber but because this is an assumption, I won't use it as an argument.
You're the one who is making assumptions as you "believe" him to be a capable duelist or when you think that he will be stomped by anyone in a saber duel.
If this was what you meant by "schooling some plebs on Meetra", you have failed greatly my friend.
A) Overwhelmed
B) Disarmed
C) More confident in his Force abilities
Lol at the HoT being above Meetra in saber skill, which is what we are talking about. The HoT is not well above Meetra in sabers, though they are above them it's not by so large a gap as you make it seem. What they are miles above her in is Force, which coincidentally, Vitiate was using during this duel. Do I think the Exile will defeat Vitiate? No. Do I think if it were in pure sabers she would? Yes. Did the HoT duel Vitiate in pure sabers? No. So I'm not sure why this point was even brought up.
You continuously try to argue that he is skilled with the blade which is logical but to say he can beat Meetra or anyone who is above her dueling wise is foolish when he has no feats in it. It's like saying Cin Drallig > Exar Kun in swordsmenship simply because Drallig has hype as a great duelist - yet, he has no feats supporting those claims and was slaughtered by Anakin quite easily. It's not logical and i'm not calling Vitiate featless - he should be skilled with the blade. but i can't judge or side with him because he has no feats with the blade all we have is speculation. I apologize if i came off a bit aggressive in my previous post, it was not my intention.
I never implied such a thing Sinious, if you're talking about the chat comment i was only joking You know i'm not one to use the "SLAUGHTERHOUSE" Or "ROFLSTOMPS" Arguments
I'm sorry that's pure speculation, still doesn't refute anything I said and supports the claim that Vitiate isn't as skilled with sabers. T
Lol, who said the HoT had the best Force powers offensive wise, or that they specialised in it? Speed, Tutaminis, Shields, using the Force without gesturing, ragdolling Vitiate, TKing bridges, and collapsing ceilings, and Force enhanced strength, all things the Exile has never shown eclipsing, all Force oriented, all things the HoT has. Not to mention the fact that literally everyone in game talks about how the HoT is the most powerful Jedi seen in generations and is the greatest and most powerful in the Order by the end of Act II, Act I even, but hey, the Exile might be more powerful in the Force than the Hero of Tython. Me guessing would be pure speculation.
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Don't try.
I've explained this to them hundreds of times, only to be met with "There's no proof you're wrong" despite the fact that I've posted a personal email with the very author of the Novel, saying it's a strong theory.
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The wound theory is a strong one... the "Meetra was uber weakened by Nathema" theory is not a strong one.
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That was never a theory I used.... Only that she was weakened by Natheema (obviously) and didn't have time to recover before being thrust into Dromund Kaas...
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She had two days or more to recover.
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Aug 22nd, 2014 01:26 PM
You know i'm not one to use the "SLAUGHTERHOUSE" Or "ROFLSTOMPS" Arguments 
