In Last Defenders Hellstrom was described as being "more powerful than Dr Strange could ever be". He has the power of a hell lord as well as due tomhis human mother able to use mortal magic. Hes also defeated more powerful opponents and has many advantages like physicals ans time manipulation
This . Hellstrom is a hell lord, and has abilities like TP, time travel, soul burning, instant regen, weather control, and more. He has shown many times limits in his younger days, now not so much.
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Literally everything you have said shaman has done all that and more
He can also freeze time by saying "shush", sucked up an atomic bomb blast and a part of Newfoundland in a split second, defeated gods and the like, weapons that were so powerful “and just for a single wretching moment the universe itself seems to blink out of existence, like a soap bubble suddenly impaled on a thorn.", referenced to be a rival of dr.strange, has the pulverized Lark’s claw, which crystallizes the liquids in a body instantly, etc.
If were going by lip service (as hell storm has done nothing to put him over strange or by a lot) here:
John Byrne: "If you want to sum it up . . . he's Dr. Strange--but he does it with potions and herbs and little dolls and stuff, instead of just doing it with the power of his mind, the way Strange does. This possibly gives Shaman a slight advantage, I don't know. If he had the tools at hand, he can make just about anything. I don't know if Strange that kind of power has over the physical world."
Shaman literally has access to an entire universe (planets and everything) inside his pouch. " but inside consists of millions of worlds, with trillions of magical spells and artifacts that Shaman gains his abilities from."
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Since you guys seem to think time manipulation gives him the win (and easily), while ignoring shaman has that ability he just has one thing to say to you...."shush"
Also shaman has spells that restrained Sasquatch, hell storm is not physically stronger then Sasquatch
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To say there are no feats to put Daimon over strange when he has dozens of feats of achieving what Classic Strange did without the power ups and prep that Strange required, before two power ups he's had since is absolutely ridiculous.
Daimon is a hell lord. Master of his own ream. Who has met and matched in battle the like of other hell Lords like Mephisto, Dormammu etc. he orchestrated events to have Dorammu and Satannish join forces to oppose Mephisto so that he could gain the beneifit.
There is no attack that that Shaman has ever made that will even trouble Daimon. he cannot harm him physically, he would loose to him mentally (the guy defeated Mind star who had large parts of the globe in his TP thrall, and was master of the astral plane).
It's blatantly clear you haven't got a single clue what your talking about because i haven't even touched on scans since his LAST UPGRADE.
Haha me thinks you don't know shaman everything you posted he has done. Now your going to the telepathy route? Well shamans telepathy has spanned over a galaxy and is a high level user himself
Wrong in my post? Shaman actually did all the things I listed...easily. No attack? Hmmm tell that to llan and the great beasts who are significantly above hell storm. I'm at my cottage for the weekend but I'll drop all the scans. There are already in the respect thread
Contrary to believe hell storm can and has been hurt even by beings less then shaman
Shows that on Debut Daimon was almost Satan's equal in power once he had acquired the Neteranium trident. That was before His full darksoul was released and he possessed his pwoer and was further amped and LONG before he ascended (or descended) became a hell lord himself.
That is the same satan who is also http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...+hell+lords.jpg
Mephisto, Satannish, and Thog. All of whom Classic Strange has shown to be below in power. hell the magic of Strange and Doom combined can't beat mephisto http://www.google.com.au/imgres?img...280&bih=613
Classic Strange required the help of a team to match and best him. It was called the Defenders, you might have heard of it.
Context dude, context. the real LIAn was defeated by Talisman not her father and the LIan that Shaman fought was an aspect of him taken mortal form. That doesn't even make him demon level let alone hell lord status.
I didn't mean you were wrong for Shaman, you definitely got it vastly wrong for Helstrom in physicals and a LOT more.
Also if you noted Hellstrom isn't a telepath he can simply manifest force an a psychic level that crushes them. This was to show he can battle telepathy no matter what.
Oh I'm also keen to see when Shaman has
Tanked high level energy blasts without a magic spell of protection.
Withstood the physical blow of falling from the stratosphere
taken physical blows from Satan's hell captains
walked through fire unscathed
shown super strength
survived point blank explosions without protection.
controlled the earth with just a point and a thought
used hell fire, let alone demostrated such control to melt shackles without harming the hands within.
brought the dead back to life with a subconscious thought (let alone healed with a touch).
after all
I said hurt not beat. So if he can hurt llan he can hurt hellstorm as you claimed he couldn't. He has beat ranaq the great beast and do you know them at all?
Again he has restrained people far more physically strong then him. He wouldn't have any issues here as well.
Good for him. Except shaman is a telepath and magical defended for that very thing. Scans will come after the long weekend. Heading to cottage now
Ranaq was also in a host the first time they fought, and he basically delayed him with the help of snow bird, and a few others I can't recall. Pretty sure he was "beaten by a magic bullet from some other guy.
Second time was also in a host and again it was Talisman not Shaman who won the day.
If your going to keep using his Daughters feats to sell his strengths, that is pretty lame.
I like Alpha Flight and have a couple of runs (up to issue 90 or so of the 80's series and the one form the 90's that only lasted a year or two) You might wnat to steer around those issues if your gonna post out of context feats.
Talisman weakened Ranaq the second time absorbing his powers making him weak and then the host was killed by the bullet. Now that's context. Not was I even referencing that fight. Shaman fought ranaq solo
Not once did I use talisman or make refernece to her. You keep doing that.
Alright I can see your trolling. Nothing I put was out of context but seems all you got is trying to discredit me when no one has even said I take things out of context....ever.
It's not trolling when I clearly made it easy to see which battles i was referencing. I didn't even remember Talisman in the first one I mentioned which again from memory was in the past. I remembered Snowbird being present. The second one (again from memory - will pull some old issues tomorrow) was the same guy who shot him much older and his daughter or grand daughter was possessed (something like that)
If there is another instance of them fighting then I don't know it. An issue number (or close, cause I'm stuffed if I can recall issue numbers, bout 8 months to a year into that 80's run I "think"), or a story ark or something. Every instance I'm aware of him facing him was a host and a team effort.
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