That's the only showing which makes an argument about him. He has really no other showing at that level and that's why that is not a normal/average showing for him. Villains make a great entrance usually. Just look at most of Johns' villains.
Zoom wouldn't be able to beat Superman, because he has zero feats of beating someone so durable and strong. He can't even beat WW FFS.
Should I post feats of Superman's durability against Zoom level punches? Even under Johns Rogues survived his bloodlusted punches.
Be careful Abhi.
This occurs in comics all the time. You have the scaling factor (characters scale to who they are fighting). Trans beings and higher have hit metabeings (especially in groups) and not killed them. Usually popular characters (even villains and objects) are protected by plot.
Plus it seems that Zoom was talking to them. If he wanted to kill them then why talk?
Remember Zoom can slow time down to any degree he wants. He has never shown a limit. He went slower than other times because of choice, not because he couldn't go faster. If he's fighting Superman, then surely he would be faster than Superman can move.
Remember this fight is will Full Capacity. That has to mean something.
I posted the first scan. It shows Batman surviving Zoom's punches. Are Zoom's punches Bane-level, now?
Abhi, ABC logic does not work. Star, you too. You asked:
We have, in a canon comic, only ONE incident of Zoom attacking Superman. Not Superman-level, or an analgoue of mainstream Supes, or Bizarro, or WW, or Jesse - the real deal. The main man.
Superman himself.
These facts are inarguable. They have met once. Zoom hit Superman. No debate there.
The attached image is the result.
Stop trying to cloud the issue and dodge the point with Bizarro, or Kal-L etc. Their feats/showings are completely irrelevant here.
What IS relevant, is that in the one time they met, Zoom was punching Superman. AND he was affected (check his face out).
So yeah, Zoom wins. The only proof, ONLY proof, that matters, that can negate this, is another showing SUPERMAN tagging Zoom, and/or no-selling his attacks. We all know what Superman no-selling punches looks like, and it sure as hell does not look like this:
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LOL@how you keep posting the same scan of Zoom throwing all those ineffectual punches against Clark like that actually proves anything.
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A: It's not ineffectual.
B: Have you got anything, ANYTHING, showing SUPERMAN vs ZOOM, that showcases him not being affected by it? Read my post again, try not to get too distracted by the bright colours in the pretty pictures. Not Kal-L, Bizarro, or whatever, but SUPERMAN.
This is Superman tanking punches like a champ: (please log in to view the image)
Tomorrow, I am going to make a thread. Character A vs Character B.
Poster A: shows how A has met B before, and when they did, A rocked B with his punches.
Poster B: Nah-uh, you see, A was unable to kill these cannon fodder weaklings who are FAR beneath B, therefore, despite their canon meetings, B wins!
Also, B can do this, and that, and this, and despite it never being shown, Character A was actually AFRAID of B when they met, so A punched B a few times (ineffectually, despite the art showing otherwise) and then RAN AWAY LIKE A *****!!!
An additional point is, Character B has beaten Character C, who has beaten Character A. Therefore, Character B will stomp Character A into paste.
My thread will be called H/P Doomsday vs Darkseid. You see, a weaker Doomsday was unable to kill Booster Gold, and Bloodwynd, who are all far below Darkseid when he punched them. Also, when they met, Doomsday punched Darkseid a few times, then ran away in fear. Darkseid you see has all these cool powers, and will surely win!
i don't see the difficulty here. as the panel DS has posted blatantly shows us: superman cannot simply 'tank' a zoom-blitz... zoom's punches undeniably have *some* sort of negative effect on him: (please log in to view the image)
look and superman's facial expression and body posture. not only does he appear defenseless, but those punches are hurting him to some degree... and keep in mind: zoom was just trolling the league there. he was absolutely not fighting to the best of his ability(the blitz was only a panel long, ffs.)
now compare superman's expressions in the above scene to when he *actually* no-sells a punch: (please log in to view the image)
night and day difference.
anyway, the fact of the matter is that superman is never coming close to touching an all-out zoom. imo, the *best* supes can hope for is a stalemate.
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Who we all know shitstomped entire Flash Family at once.
I have no problems with that. I never argue with anything made up.
Zoom can affect Superman with his punches. But like Superman once said, hurting him isn't that difficult. Surviving him is.
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And we know that a bloodlusted Zoom with a million punches didn't even made PG go back, let alone KO her. Notice PG grabbing him by throat?
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Even a random Amazon survived two hundred punches from him.
Its not that. Zoom has never really beaten anyone on Superman's level. You bring one character he has KOED at Superman's level of durability and I will change my vote to Zoom.
But of course, we can't just comprehend Zoom losing to anybody. So we conclude an ass backward conclusion and based on nothing in Zoom's history that he has never beaten anyone before on Superman's level that he actually beats Superman.
Seriously, Zoom is the Absorbing Man of DC. No matter who he fights, he will find a way to lose.
And who said Superman can't shrug off a million punches or even a billion punches if we're applying no limit fallacy here? You don't want me to bring Superman's durability feats here. Seriously you don't.
Zoom is faster than Superman, not so fast that Superman can't hit him. He hit much faster Professor Zoom after all.
And your silence about Zoom beating anybody on Superman's level is duly noted. Seriously, this is like talking to h1a8 at this point.
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But that's ass backward too. He was trying to kill PG, he was trolling Superman. So either Zoom punches weakly the more bloodlusted he is or Johns has a very high opinion of his pet character.
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