Are you trying to somehow diminsh Zoom in the eyes of other people by talking shit about him?
And I don't know. Johns had the Flash attack the same way. Sometimes he'd hit really, really hard with a few punches and other times he'd strike someone many times with weaker punches.
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Worst thing was, his cheek rubbing was making Clark explode with joygasming. The filthy pervert.
But yes, I take your point. As silly as it is, more punches = weaker punches.
Oh, I know, in real life quick jabs vs haymakers etc etc. But he controls time - he literally has all the time in the world to line up multiple haymakers.
I didn't have silence. I posted him punching Superman, who didn't have any ability to react to him, and was being hurt by him.
You're the one who's silent on showing anything, ANYTHING, on how Superman can do anything to Zoom. Not Thawne, not PG, not Bizarro, not Kal-L, but Superman himself, against Hunter.
Because the two times these two characters (Zolomon and Clark Kent) have met, Zolomon trolled him and treated him like a feeb. And that is inarguable. Hence, comics, in canon, have shown that 100% of the times they have met, Superman was unable to do anything to Zolomon.
Basically Zoom has one good showing of Superman punches where he basically coldcocks Wonder Woman while failing to Ko her. And then... ? Sure he can hurt Superman, but he completely and utterly lacks any feats of taking down an actual durable opponent. He's a power set character because he sure as hell doesn't have the feats. I sure hope Superman can channel the speed of Damage and Liberty Belle though.
And Johns has Flashes affect everybody by their punches, even SBP and such. Do we have Flashes beating SBP by punching him now?
Yeah, Superman was unable to do anything against Zoom under a Johns book and Damage was able to do better. So Damagae>>Superman in speed? Is that how thing work here now? Superman has much better feats than unable to hit Zoom.
And Zoom has never beaten anyone in Superman's durability level in his entire career. So yeah, I would take Superman's chances here better who has at least reacted/tagged people faster than Zoom several times.
Or perhaps, he held back against Damage? I mean, if we go down the 'look at all these lower tier characters Superman has struggled against', I bet they're all lower than Zoom.
But of course, that would be ignoring things like PIS etc.
Circular reasoning. Zoom holds back so much that he has never KOED anybody of note in his entire career? I asked you showing a single Zoom showing where he KOED anybody durable and you had zilch to show.
I cling to the showing where he's affecting Superman.
At the end of the day, we will have to agree to disagree. But I will say this, then bow out.
In the scan I posted, I count five Kraks from Zoom on Supes (incidentally, two less than Batman). These all affected him negatively. Don't worry, I'm not one of those posters who thinks a 'Krak' equals something broken.
In the scan Galan posted, where he's fighting so quickly Superman can't help Wally, they've circled the Earth a dozen times, with a punch thrown every thousand miles. 25,000 miles, multiplied by 12, equals 300 punches thrown.
FIVE punches made Superman make the O face. 300 will mess him up. And that would only be the initial salvo.
Abhi, you cling to it being Johns wankery. Does it matter? I've seen you do the same when McDuffie's writing (WW being faster, Dr Light being faster). Again, does it matter? Is the comic canon? Yes, it is.
Anything else is just you trying to cloud the issue, with scan dumps. Next time, am I allowed to use Bizarro's feats for Superman? Hell no. His low showings? DEfinitely not. So when the thread title is Zoom vs Superman, and they've shown the two fighting before, and Zoom came out on top...well, that's all there is, really.
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Abhi screams Johns wankage? He created the character :/
I'd certainly agree if someon else created the character, but Zoom's high showings are in line with his initial showings. It's not like he started out as a chump and got taken up. Zoom's initial showings were sky-high.