I don't know where that orange emoticon came from lol I must have inserted by accident.
Anyway, I think there is a difference between an explosion scaled to around the size of a suit of armor and one scaled to the size of a house that you are inside of (also Gambit can create low level explosions by only inserting a little explosive energy so it's even going to vary on that level.
And I don't know, I'm having difficulty believing that half of this stuff is not PIS. I mean you mention Spiderman hurting The Thing with punches. Is that the same Thing that takes punches from Hulk?!
Also, even if Spidey could manage to ultimately knocks off his head....he's a zombie. That doesn't really kill zombies.
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lol I was wondering about that smilie, thought you were mad at me all of a sudden lol
As for the explosion, it's difficult for me to give a similar feat because I haven't seen the one you're talking about. Peak humans survive exploding building pretty often but I admit that surviving and walking away unscratched are two different things, either way I don't believe that's enough to say Jason can no sell punches from someone like Pete especially if he's not holding back.
Thing about Spider-man many people still view him as an average class 10 characters like Goblin, Scorpion and others. When in most books they make a point of showing him surpassing that level once the kiddie gloves are off. Thing and Namor and Iron Man are just few examples. I remember when Pete fought the Digger (an undead class 60 monster) in the sewers. Pete "killed" him and the shockwave from the last punch ripped through concrete of the street above, people actually thought it was an earth quake. He's supported 100 ton structures when under stress, he's landed a private plane on his shoulders supporting a broken wheel, he's broken 3-foot thick carbonadium tentacle, he's smashed tanks with his bare hands, when Ock took over Pete's mind he punched an upgraded Scorpion and took his jaw clean off, the same Scorpion that laughed after being punched by Miss Marvel and after falling from an orbit. And this list goes on and on, he is consistently written that way. Taking all that into consideration he should be able to punch Jason's head clean off, undead or not that'd surely help Pete last the required 15 minutes against Jason. Then there's the speed and bullet time reflexes on top. And the kung fu training he received from Shang Chi that made him good enough to speed blitz and take down three villains who all had similar spider powers. Took him like a second.
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I'd point out that a clear distinction exists between lifting strength and punching strength. A pro boxer can put out 1000+ psi in a punch, doesn't mean he's lifting 1000 lbs in his weight routine.
One of Spidey's powers that often gets overlooked (besides a minor healing factor) is his ability to find and stay in perfect equilibrium. This basically makes him a naturally gifted fighter, as he is able to maintain perfect physical structure throughout long strings of movements.
If nothing else. Peter could just put him in a full nelson and stand there for fifteen minutes making cracks about the smell. What's Jason going to do?
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There is a distinction, but Spidey can lift and punch at a decently high multi-ton level. A high enough level that since Jason is a zombie, he can easily access and dismember him with ease.
As Sam pointed out, he's held up buildings, he once held up a subway car, etc... And he pointed out many high end striking feats that he can pull out any time he actually stops giving a f*ck about the person he's fighting. It's not a rare occurrence, it just seems that way since he's so prone to hold back.
...Whut? Decapitation, brain damage, severing the spinal chord, etc... These are the best ways ever to kill zombies.
Yup, agreed. What I was saying is that Spidey being able to lift 10 tons (and I know he's had better showings, but for the sake of argument) doesn't mean he's only hitting with 10 tons of force. He's hitting with multiple times that amount.
I'm on Spidey's side here.
Also agreed. I'm confused by the notion that taking off the head wouldn't stop a zombie. But even if it didn't, Webs could always rip off all his limbs and stick them in different corners of the room.
Okay I misunderstood what you meant. But we are in agreement on that and about the decapitation thing which is pretty much...what modern zombie culture is based around. There are many different types of zombie, but you screw up the head and they all die.
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