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Darth Malgus/Darth Maul SOD vs. Mace Windu/Obi Wan ROTS
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Marco1907
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What ? Obi-Wan is not beating Maul. He only beat Savage in Florrum and that was only 'one-time'

Obi-Wan can't even defeat Savage that ease



Kenobi also failed to save Adi Gallia from Savage,



Like I said, that was only one time thing, and Maul underestimated Kenobi in there,
''Surrender, we are two, and you are no match for us both...''

(just like he did in TPM) that is why Kenobi managed to defeat Savage.

He never defeated Maul.

Example ? Here is ;


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ares834
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Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That doesn't make any sense. And in duels that hardly last minutes, every second is vital.

Except he's done it several times.

He gets slammed into the wall falls down, and tak

Which is TK.


Makes plenty of sense. The first time Kenobi was sitting their watching then make their attack before moving.

Only time he has ever done it is on a place specifically mentioned to be strong in the dark side. Otherwise, never.

Sure, and it doesn't mean he is superior (inferior firce users often send their superiors flying with a push). And certainly not to the extend that he could rag doll him at will.

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RotS Kenobi is also superior to any version who faced Maul, remember.


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Originally posted by ares834
Mace>Malgus, Kenobi>Maul

Team 2.

Yup. thumb up

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Originally posted by Nephthys
RotS Kenobi is also superior to any version who faced Maul, remember.


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Darth Thor
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Originally posted by Nephthys
RotS Kenobi is also superior to any version who faced Maul, remember.


He faced Maul towards the end of TCW. So no.

If we're just going to assume Kenobi improved since then without any evidence to suggest as much, then I'll just assume that SOD Maul > TCW Maul. Heck since Maul never even died I'll just assume ROTS Maul > SOD Maul.

Compare their fights with each other or against similar opponents. But don't give me that ROTS Kenobi > All other Kenobi's and Maul's just because he is.

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Sure. And they were running because Kebobi just handed them their asses.


Kind of like how Kenobi and Ventress Ran for their lives from Maul and Savage because they were getting handed their asses.

And Kenobi never handed Maul his ass anyway. Kicking him back without injuring him at all, without flooring him even once and without disarming him of his weapon. ... is not handing him his ass. Not by a long shot.

On the other hand Maul's Force push actually did Floor Kenobi and actually did disarm him. So even in the fight where you're claiming "Kenobi kicked Maul's ass" It was actually Maul who landed the more lethal blows on Kenobi than Vice Versa.

So it was nothing like (for instance) the time when Ventress fought off Kenobi and Skywalker KOing Kenobi within seconds and Force choking then both at the end. Now that was an Ass Kicking!

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Makes plenty of sense. The first time Kenobi was sitting their watching then make their attack before moving.

Not really. Kenobi was knocked down and he wanted to surprise them, not because he wanted to, but because he had to. The way you're wording it makes it seems like he had the advantage there, and he really did.
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Only time he has ever done it is on a place specifically mentioned to be strong in the dark side. Otherwise, never.

Because of Maul and Savage. Not to mention theses two feats you're continuously trying to ignore simply because they show how inferior Kenobi was at least there.
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Sure, and it doesn't mean he is superior (inferior firce users often send their superiors flying with a push).

Kenobi controversially has never overpowered Maul once. Multiple occasions of getting your ass handed to you do not make you a superior Force user.
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And certainly not to the extend that he could rag doll him at will.

Except he has.

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Welp it wasn't Kenobi running like a ***** on Floruum. laughing out loud

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Not really. Kenobi was knocked down and he wanted to surprise them, not because he wanted to, but because he had to. The way you're wording it makes it seems like he had the advantage there, and he really did.


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Because of Maul and Savage. Not to mention theses two feats you're continuously trying to ignore simply because they show how inferior Kenobi was at least there.


Ignore? Not at all. However, neither suggests he can rag doll Kenobi at will.

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Kenobi controversially has never overpowered Maul once. Multiple occasions of getting your ass handed to you do not make you a superior Force user.


Once was because Kenobi had his concentration split between two due lists and the other was by a force push that clearly caught him off guard. So yeah, once again not seeing anything suggesting he could tag doll him with the force.

I do believe Maul's force abilities are superior though. But that's mainly due to his superior feats in that regard rather than anything that happened in this duel.

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Except he has.


Nope. Only at a place strong in the dark side.

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Also in the fight with Ventress, Kenobi uses the force to push Maul back knocking him onto a crate for a few seconds. That TK mastery yo.

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Either of the Sith can take Kenobi out with TK as all of the examples listed have shown. Malgus applies TK even more brutally than Maul does, and given Kenobi's past run ins with darksiders it would do a number on him at the very least.


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Ignore? Not at all. However, neither suggests he can rag doll Kenobi at will.

TK'd=/= ragdoll, at least not int he way I'm using it. Either way, we clearly see Kenobi being lifted, casually moved, and flung. Kenobi has never shown the best Force defense, but then again Kenobi only has the chance to fight powerhouses.
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Once was because Kenobi had his concentration split between two due lists and the other was by a force push that clearly caught him off guard. So yeah, once again not seeing anything suggesting he could tag doll him with the force.

And without anything to support he can actually defend himself and with more evidence to the contrary, yeah I'm going to say Maul can TK him pretty easily.
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I do believe Maul's force abilities are superior though. But that's mainly due to his superior feats in that regard rather than anything that happened in this duel.

With Kenobi having next to none against anyone without a fractured mindset and plenty of evidence to the contrary, I'm not surprised.
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Nope. Only at a place strong in the dark side.

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lol at dismissing Kenobi's because of "fractured mindset".

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Welp it wasn't Kenobi running like a ***** on Floruum. laughing out loud


Maul ran because of Savage's injury not becaue he lost.

If not, he shouldn't able to knock out Obi-Wan with a powerful force blast.



Just because you like Obi-Wan or you don't like Maul that doesn't change the fact. Maul is slightly faster, equally skilled and has much better TK than RotS Obi-Wan.


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Malgus' maelstrom could take the win but beyond that I find it hard to see Mace and Kenobi lose this.

Do remember they have experience in fighting together, a lot of it as well, got to make a difference here.


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Kenobi underrated... as usual.


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If the Sith wont catch Kenobi off-guard with TK, they'll loose. If they will, Mace will be overhelmed by two opponents and wil die.

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Darth Thor
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Welp it wasn't Kenobi running like a ***** on Floruum. laughing out loud


And it was Kenobi plus Ventress running like b****** from Maul and Opress in "Revenge."

The whole "Running" argument is lame in most situations. Sidious attempted to run from Yoda and yet ended up winning.

It's a simply a tactical retreat seen as the favourable option in a given scenario so frankly a pretty lazy argument to use.

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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66


@NewGuy, What are you talking about? When Maul casually force choked Kenobi while fighting off another jedi? I haven't read the entire comic, just strips, but I did question Silver2467 about the planet being a DS nexus, and he told me the reason the area was strong with the dark side was due to the presence of Maul and Savage, otherwise the planet wasn't even populated by force users, nor was there any reason for the place to be strong with the dark side until the arrival of Maul and Savage. I took it as a similar case when Anakin and Kenobi stated that they sensed Mustafar being strong with the dark side on account of the holographic presence of Sidious (unknown to them). Do you mind posting the scan stating it was a nexus?


After rereading the comic this makes the most sense for that scenario. The Jedi were hunting the Sith and so the Jedi mentioning "the dark side is strong here" was their clue that they were on the right track.

Aside from that line no mention was made of that planet having any relation to the dark side whatsoever.

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