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I'd go with Horn. Tiin has the TK advantage, but Corran's illusions are likely to be effective, plus his long lightsaber and trickiness should give him an edge in dueling.
"Kyp struck at me again through the Force, but I expected it this time. I relaxed and let the Force energy flow over and through me. I absorbed enough of it to let me create a shield that split the attack. The fact that I didn't end up being ground back against the wall surprised him."
"Even though I braced myself for another attack, it did no good. Kyp's previous Force blows were like light breezes compared with a full-out gale. I slammed back into the wall with a teeth-rattling impact. As my body absorbed Force energy and fed it back out, the shield I'd created grew in size. More importantly, my surprise and survival instinct opened me up to the Force and allowed it to flow into the shield."
Corran eventually got overpowered by Kyp but keep in mind that it was still relatively at the beginning of his training. Later on he improved his absorbing skills to the point that he could absorb detonator explosions.
Kyp was progressing faster than everyone else due to his Force talent. Also, he was aided by Kun's spirit. Here is more complete text:
"I was hearing Kyp's voice through my ears, but the undertones were coming to me through the Force. We were not alone, which meant Kyp's mentor had come to aid his apprentice.
"I will, if you make it necessary."
An ancient sneer of contempt twisted Kyp's features. "Puny Jedi, you are of no concern to me."
Even though I braced myself for another attack, it did no good. Kyp's previous Force blows were like light breezes compared with a full-out gale. I slammed back into the wall with a teeth-rattling impact. As my body absorbed Force energy and fed it back out, the shield I'd created grew in size. More importantly, my surprise and survival instinct opened me up to the Force and allowed it to flow into the shield."
Regardless, Saese Tiin is miles behind Kyp, so doesn't matter.
Also, Kyp before training was in such environment that naturally made him use the Force, so he had better head start than anyone else.
Last edited by Arhael on Sep 25th, 2014 at 03:40 PM
Saesee's talent with the Force is considered amongst the best in the Order, and his raw telekinetic strength demonstratably rivals/eclipses Mace's. Kyp's raw Force strength has been argued to rival/eclipse Luke's, but at this point he had been training for a matter of weeks--Incomparable to Tiin's decades of practice.
Let's assume that Horn could handle Tiin's telekinetic strength in a similar manner, though, and move on from this point. Even if Horn has a method of defending himself against telekinesis, it seems that even moreso than other types of defense, it requires focus. If caught off guard with it in the midst of combat, it can still prove a significant disadvantage, especially because he does not have the capacity to attack telekinetically himself. It's Horn's primary weakness, and has never been comsidered in-universe to be as negligible as you're making it out to be.
I am uneducated concerning the magnitude of Corran's power over the mind--But Tiin himself is, by far, the Order's greatest telepath. I'm somehow doubtful that he will be so easily overcome in his strongest suit.
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Last edited by NewGuy01 on Sep 25th, 2014 at 04:12 PM
By the way, I think this is a really cool topic, Carthage. I'm not sure if this was intentional or not, but here we have two Council-level telepathy-specialists, both of which are amongst the most revered swordsmen of their time, and both of which were top-class pilots. Makes for an interesting battle.
I do wonder how Tiin'd react to Horn's trickery. He's a good fighter, but he's certainly never fought someone who'll suddenly double the length of their lightsaber, or indeed fight with a blade that long at all.
During Jedi Academy(the Novel trilogy, not the game) the apprentices are tasked with lifting heavy objects with the force. Several students complete the task, and then on Corran's turn he mind tricked all the other students and Luke into thinking he lifted the objects, but he didn't actually move them. Luke saw through it quickly, but this was during his apprentice years, way before becoming a Master.
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I seriously find it hard to consider Saesee Tiin a worthy opponent that "rivals/eclipses" Windu at anything considering that he staid like an idiot, when Sidious cut him down, while Windu defeated Sidious. Whatever feats he has, such an embarrassing death puts him leagues below majority of other characters.
Assume? I provided proof that Corran is capable of defending against TK. "If caught off guard" is not really an argument, any character can be caught off guard. Equally Saesee Tiin might get caught off guard by Corran's illusions, anything is possible in a fight. And Telepathy=/=Mind Tricks
By the way, Corran Horn actually can use TK, if he absorbs enough energy.
You claim that lack of TK puts him at disadvantage. After brawl with Kyp who was empowered by Kun at the time, and later Kun himself there is literally not a single example, where Corran was overpowered by anyone's TK. And he fought Force users on many occasions.
Give at least single impressive combat feat of Saesee Tiin that will help evaluate his prowess. So far Saesee has nothing on Corran.
Last edited by Arhael on Sep 26th, 2014 at 10:22 AM
Lmao? Stayed? Sidious blitzed him. Saesee was fast enough to appear in three places at once. Corran couldn't react to Palpatine's speed, and Tiin is faster than Corran. Also there is no shame in dying to the Emperor considering if you aren't Luke chances are that's what would happen to you
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__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
First, you can't possibly know how Corran would react to Palpatine's speed. Assumptions don't hold.
Second, Corran was considered one of orders best combatants. Saesee Tiin wasn't and example with Sidious is a clear proof that he is miles below the top combatants.
Sep 25th, 2014 06:19 AM
