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Originally posted by Insane Titan
For those who read annihilation, in the book Galactus doesn't give Surfer more power he just removes his remorse etc and makes him less of a pacifist.

Not to get in the middle of your exchange with carver, but the way I read it Galactus intended to do both (amp Surfer's power and remove his remorse to make him ready for the battle in Annihilation), but Surfer demanded to keep his compassion and Galactus relented to his wishes:

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Galactus states:

"I can give you conviction--and the power to see it through."

"I can undo what was done in anger. I can restore you."

"I can heal you. I can renew your will, grant you new power, take away the remorse."

Surfer says

"No. Give me the will to do what must be done. Let my remorse define me."

To which Galactus says

"So be it"

then clasps Surfer in his hand and energizes him. IMO, from what's stated and depicted in the page, Galactus gave Surfer a power up, and intended to also take away his remorse, but Surfer demanded to keep it, and Galactus allowed the compromise. Later, when Surfer encountered Ravenous for a second time after this event with Galactus he remarked that Surfer had changed, and then Surfer effortlessly destroys a planet in their clash as a show of power and Ravenous asks what has Surfer become. To me, that statement was related to the fact that Surfer was far more powerful than their first encounter and Ravenous was in awe at the increase in Surfer's firepower.

So I actually think carver's right on this one.

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Originally posted by MF DELPH
Not to get in the middle of your exchange with carver, but the way I read it Galactus intended to do both (amp Surfer's power and remove his remorse to make him ready for the battle in Annihilation), but Surfer demanded to keep his compassion and Galactus relented to his wishes:

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Galactus states:

"I can give you conviction--and the power to see it through."

"I can undo what was done in anger. I can restore you."

"I can heal you. I can renew your will, grant you new power, take away the remorse."

Surfer says

"No. Give me the will to do what must be done. Let my remorse define me."

To which Galactus says

"So be it"

then clasps Surfer in his hand and energizes him. IMO, from what's stated and depicted in the page, Galactus gave Surfer a power up, and intended to also take away his remorse, but Surfer demanded to keep it, and Galactus allowed the compromise. Later, when Surfer encountered Ravenous for a second time after this event with Galactus he remarked that Surfer had changed, and then Surfer effortlessly destroys a planet in their clash as a show of power and Ravenous asks what has Surfer become. To me, that statement was related to the fact that Surfer was far more powerful than their first encounter and Ravenous was in awe at the increase in Surfer's firepower.

So I actually think carver's right on this one.

seeing has he has displayed zero showings to prove he's more powerful I don't see how you can come that conclusion.

Plus carver is never right so by default it's wrong.

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seeing has he has displayed zero showings to prove he's more powerful I don't see how you can come that conclusion.

Plus carver is never right so by default it's wrong.

the point of reference would how easily he dispacted Ravenoys.

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the point of reference would how easily he dispacted Ravenoys.

Him not getting two pieced by Thor. Powering up a planet powered by an abstract heart. Tossing Crunch at TBA. He was snow for a bit that's new.

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the point of reference would how easily he dispacted Ravenoys.

you mean him simply not holding back anymore.

Xenith pwnd Ravenous easier than Surfer.

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you mean him simply not holding back anymore.

Xenith pwnd Ravenous easier than Surfer.

Ravenous was getting powered by his Currs against Surfer.

Then there's the matter of downgraded Dick beating her when full powered Dick got his dick reamed by Surfer

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Ravenous was getting powered by his Currs against Surfer.

Then there's the matter of downgraded Dick beating her when full powered Dick got his dick reamed by Surfer

Nova didn't straight out over power her though , iirc he had to use some mental block on her.

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To win yes. But he was kicking the shit out of her until he got distracted.

There's also the part where he had the full Nova Force against Surfer and comparably barely anything against her.

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All signs point to Surfer with extra juice. It could be half a cup or it could be a gallon... Either way he received something...

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All signs point to Surfer with extra juice. It could be half a cup or it could be a gallon... Either way he received something...

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Plus carver is never right so by default it's wrong.

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Him not getting two pieced by Thor.

More like near no selling him

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
All signs point to Surfer with extra juice. It could be half a cup or it could be a gallon... Either way he received something...

what points to him having extra juice?

He had no effect on Thanos in the same ways he did in the past.

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^Him destroying Ravenous.

Ravenous' later showings aren't exactly indicative of his power-level because he doesn't have the currs/lost his connection to the opposing force.

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^Him destroying Ravenous.

Ravenous' later showings aren't exactly indicative of his power-level because he doesn't have the currs/lost his connection to the opposing force.

still not enough IMO, considering the amount of people he has faced since then.

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Originally posted by Insane Titan
still not enough IMO, considering the amount of people he has faced since then.

Other writers might not heed the powerup, but it was very clear in the arcs following Annihilation that he was more powerful than before.

Both in the Heralds of Galactus one-shot, and in Nova.

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All signs point to Surfer with extra juice. It could be half a cup or it could be a gallon... Either way he received something...

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Originally posted by krisblaze
Other writers might not heed the powerup, but it was very clear in the arcs following Annihilation that he was more powerful than before.

Both in the Heralds of Galactus one-shot, and in Nova.

I don't see how, as all he did In them was shown to easily above Nova which we already knew and in Heralds of Galactus all he did was Chanel Chrunch energies.

He just seemed more focused and determined etc.

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I don't see how, as all he did In them was shown to easily above Nova which we already knew and in Heralds of Galactus all he did was Chanel Chrunch energies.

He just seemed more focused and determined etc.

The difference between him and Nova was extreme though.

He also took more hits from Tenebrous/Aegis imo.

Honestly it feels like you're just refusing to acknowledge this, despite overwhelming evidence.

There is a very direct comparison between pre and post-boost. Surfer also specifically states that he wants to retain his remorse.

Do you really believe that the mention of his power-up and the whole Galactus' restoration of him only refers to a slight shift in personality?

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