Agreed, it's not as if when Thanos is going beserk with the Infinity Gauntlet everyone immediately shouts for help from the nearest guy with the ability to fetch things off the highest shelf. Everyone wants the big brain.
It's just his rubberiness has been virtually written out of any relevance. It's the power which is useless, not the guy. It would be like Charles Xavier having the power to grow his fingernails really, really long very quickly. Yeah, and...?
Oh and I agree about Wasp. Rubbish. It's made worse when in big melee battles they have Thor wailing away on Ultron with his hammer and Tony hosing him down with repulsor blasts. Then they cut to a panel where Janet 'brings on the pain' with those absurd stings, like she's some kind of pivotal part of the battle. Either that, or she's endlessly coming out with her 'quips' about fashion or somesuch nonsense.
JSA - Doctor Mid-Nite. He can see in the dark, and he's good at healing people. Oh and he knows a bit of judo. Membership revoked!
I think he's quite a good character, personality-wise, and his costume is quite cool. And I know he's smart. It's just in most cases I don't think he really pulls his weight in a fight.
The PMS-force is not to be messed with. It should really have a name, because when Sue is angry she really just gets to do whatever the hell she wants.
Falcon has his SHIELD connections, plus military training. Plus, him and Wasp....bring the quotas up.
Hawkeye has his accuracy (hear me out!)
Spiderman has....technical smarts. But not as high as Tony/Noh-Varr.
Strength. But not as high as a Thor or Hyperion.
Speed/agility. But not as high as the others.
Fighting skills. But no Shang/Iron Fist/Wolverine. Plus, he holds back a lot.
No connections. He's a loner.
Is unpopular and brings negative press, thanks to the Bugle.
I guess his saving graces are that he's humorous, but Hawkeye brings that already.
Perhaps his Spidersense?
What does he bring to the table? At least Spiderwoman has spider powers, plus her pheremones.
Spider-Man is more often the guy who sees what escapes the mind of someone like stark. The avengers have never solely relied on him as their sole genius as it wouldnt be very smart. Petes smarts have been what saved the day for the avengers over Tony's before because hes a fresh perspective, a genius one. Also who cares about falcons shield connections when captain america is on your team? IMO the TRUE spidey rarely shines on the avengers but when he does, you get moments like what happened in big time and at the ends of the earth.
I'm not sure why Reed is the one to boot from the FF. His stretching power was pretty much always secondary to his main contribution: his genius, his prep, his inventions. An FF w/o this is just brute force.
The Torch, otoh, has often been the impulse-driven hothead, the one to fly first into battle, usually to get his flame doused or suffocated, wherein he has to get rescued by his teammates.
Just curious.
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Kidding aside, I disagree. He doesn't have to be "The" at everything in order to be more useful to the team than Hawkeye, Wasp etc.
Web-shooters are easily one of the most effective devices when it comes to saving random civilians once a super villain fight breaks out. Stopping falling derbies, explosions, supporting crumbling and collapsing buildings etc.
Spider sense is basically magic and can be useful in various situations. Like defusing a time bomb that is about to go off relying solely on ss which is much faster than figuring out how it works and which wire to pull. Or as a warning of incoming danger.
Strength agreed. Although class 20 pressure point assault on an opponent could be pretty useful at times.
Speed/agility he's arguably the quickest street leveler on the team combat-wise.
And Pete may not be as smart as IM but Tony can't be everywhere at once, and Pete can easily fill in for him if the team needs a genius and Stark is not around/koed/stranded in a negative zone/saving someone Else etc.
Also never underestimate the heart factor and quick thinking heh.
To sum up even though he's not the best at everything statistically there's a much bigger chance that he'll be more useful in some particular situations because of the wide range of skills and abilities. At the same time I have a hard time imagining many scenarios where the team goes "We can't do this! Somebody get Hawkeye here ASAP!"
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Also Tony may be a genius but Spidey is a genius of a completely different field; Chemistry. Sure their genius overlaps in alot of places but Thats another thing he adds to the team.
JLA-Depending on the Lineup and what era in the JLA-is a 5 way tie between GA, Black Canary, Plastic Man, Elongated man, Blue Beetle. Basically MM Can duplicate anything E-M or P-M can do, Batman can duplicate or is better at anything GA, BC or BB can do.
Defenders-without a doubt it's Hellcat
Avengers- Depending on the lineup there's too many to list but the most obvious ones are Hawkeye, Mockingbird, D-Man, Moon Knight, Stingray, Falcon Tigra and Wasp
JSA-without a doubt is Mr America and his whip and Dr Midnite.
FF-is toughb to chose because I don't think there's any useless members. But the most easily replaced Is Thing. She Hulk, Power Man. She Thing and IIRC Black Goliath have filled in for the Thing. To tell the truth Mr Fantastic can and has already created a exoskeleton version of the Thing and the Mad thinker has created a robot version of him also.
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Elongated Man's a good choice. Plastic Man isn't, though, imo, because of how he uses his powers. Based on power set alone, I'd agree he's not the most useful. But in practice, he tends to pull his weight.
JLA-Depending on the Lineup and what era in the JLA-is a 5 way tie between GA, Black Canary, Plastic Man, Elongated man, Blue Beetle. Basically MM Can duplicate anything E-M or P-M can do, Batman can duplicate or is better at anything GA, BC or BB can do.
Defenders-without a doubt it's Hellcat
Avengers- Depending on the lineup there's too many to list but the most obvious ones are Hawkeye, Mockingbird, D-Man, Moon Knight, Stingray, Falcon Tigra and Wasp
JSA-without a doubt is Mr America and his whip and Dr Midnite.
FF-is tough to chose because I don't think there's any useless members. But the most easily replaced Is Thing. She Hulk, Power Man, She Thing and IIRC Black Goliath have filled in for the Thing. To tell the truth Mr Fantastic can and has already created a exoskeleton version of the Thing and the Mad thinker has created a robot version of him also.
I'm laughing at how thoroughly he'd wreck Clint if he had both time to prepare and wasn't in "hero holding back" mode. Not that he'd need either to win, of course, but Barton only stands a chance if we grant him all kinds of obscure trick arrows and lopsided prep on his side.
Agreed entirely with America. That stupid whip...
As earlier with another, I strongly disagree with Midnight. His medical expertise is a huge boon to the team, especially as it pertains to metahuman physiology.
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