The only reason i don't see it that way is that Super Buu can sense power levels and we clearly see how he reacts to the idea of someone being stronger than him. SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't holding anything back so there was no reason Buu wouldn't be able to clearly see he was the weaker of the two if that were the case. Hell he's so adept at sensing PL's that he could tell Gohan was his superior from across the galaxy while Goten and Piccolo didn't even notice.
And we know he has no issues pretending to be hurt or angry if needed like here:
Aside from that, Piccolo states: "[Buu] has never fought someone so CLOSE to his strength before!": http://i.imgur.com/Npo603e.gif
This implies that SSJ3 Gotenks was nearly as powerful as Buu, but not quite there(ie. if Buu=10, Gotenks=9-9.5.) That's what I was getting at with my previous comment that the difference between them was marginal.
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@Sj_sharp: Its not about the ir power going it, its how the characters react. Everyone was shock when Freeza only doubles his BP. By the time he overall became 2.3x stronger at his 1% form, people were giving up hope. Just as Vegeta did to Goku's kaio-kens. All were amazed when Gohan doubled up, as they were for SPC. Just as the gang were when feeling Goku's 4x amp.
Then there's this, where Super is meant to be at the very least 400x since last seeing him as Fat. Only based on Piccolo's self admitted incorrect thought.
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Remember, Goku could have easily beaten Fat Buu had he not been holding back(Goku himself stated as much.) To further solidify this is the fact that SSJ3 Goku could have also beaten Kid Buu(who was > Fat Buu, per Supreme Kai) "in an instant" had he been able to reach full power--which he wasn't able to do because he'd already used a lot of energy phucking around with Kid Buu(and because the plot deemed it so, of course.) Anywho, this means Kid Buu would have been absolutely nothing in comparison to FPSSJ3 Goku... Which subsequently means that Fat Buu likely wouldn't have even registered on Goku's radar.
ie. FPSSJ3 Goku>>>>Kid Buu>Fat Buu.
And since some of the aforementioned characters have been used as measuring sticks for Gotenks' power here, the above info throws quite a wrench in the gears. Of course, it is still all secondary to Piccolo's [incorrect] statement regarding Gotenks' power/potential(as BloodRain has mentioned.)
All of that being said: Super Buu was decisively more powerful than Fat Buu, but there was not a 400x power differential between them--especially when we consider what a 'mere' 2x power boost did for Gohan against Perfect Cell. Despite that, I am to believe the difference between Super and Fat Buu was hundredS of timeS greater than the difference between Perfect Cell and SSJ2 Gohan? Sorry, but I can't follow that logic. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 13th, 2014 at 06:33 PM
Everyone can have the gap they want between the Boo saga characters, as far as I'm concerned (indeed, for example, we know that AT intendend later on the Ssj multiplier to be only 10x, so this shrinks the gap a lot); what I can't see be changed is the power chain.
If I can ask, on which base Piccolo's comment has been incorrect?
Ssj3 Goku being >>>> Kid Boo is just an assumption: Goku couldn't finish him off because he wasn't able to sustain the Ssj3 with a living body, but at the beginning of the fight he was at full power (albeit for a short time), still his gap over Boo was anything but big.
Then, while Vegeta was distracting Boo, Goku tried to charge up his Ssj3 form in order to finish Boo (and theoretically he could have done this, no doubt, Vegeta tells us and Goku confirms it), but the effect actually was reverse on his live body.
So yes, in short, Ssj3 Goku had a power advantage over Kid Boo, but there's nothing implying he could have remotely had loads of extra power up his sleeve which could justify a ">>>>" gap over Boo.
Despite the actual number you want to put in for the gap, to me it's quite obvious that the margin Super Boo has over Fat Boo should be >>>> the gap between Ssj2 Gohan and Perfect Cell: indeed, Gohan and Cell are characters placed in the same ballpark in power, like Ssj Goku and final form Freeza or Super Vegeta and semi-Cell (given the respective gaps of course); contrariwise, Super Boo is a fusion tier character, while Fat Boo clearly isn't. I mean, it took a Ssj3 fusion in order to compete with Super Boo, while the Ssj kids were very close to Ssj adults in power; Goku also said that mighty Gogeta was needed against Super Boo, and in order to beat a character who isn't even 3 times stronger than him (Boohan), holy Vegetto had to be formed (i.e. a Potara fusion which outclasses by far, in power, even the fusion dance itself).
It's not Goku's or Fat Boo's or Kid Boo's fault if they are ants if compared to Super Boo (irrespective of actual BP numbers), indeed they are the top dogs of non-fused characters (only Ultimate Gohan is the exception, which speaks volume of how freakin' powerful Gohan was), but fusion tier guys are another story.
Hell, we are even told that Gogeta couldn't have got the job done against Boohan (we are told this by Boohan and Goku himself)... The gap is huge.
SSJ3 Goku was never at full power against Kid Buu. Why? Because he needed a minute to fully power up, and Buu never gave him that much time. Goku explicitly states this after Vegeta comments that he could destroy Buu "in an instant" at full power: http://i.imgur.com/5mCHNcP.gif
The only reason Vegeta engaged Buu at all was to try and give Goku the minute he needed to power up--but by then his stamina was already taxed, rendering him unable to achieve max power.
Had SSJ3 Goku not had an extended battle with Kid Buu before attempting to power up, he almost certainly could have reached full power. But like I said above: by the time Vegeta entered the fray to try and buy Goku time, his[Goku's] stamina was already taxed.
'Character A' defeating 'Character B' "in an instant", implies that he can do so casually/easily/effortlessly--with a single attack, perhaps. So yeah, I'd say that definitely justifies a ">>>>" power differential... But that's neither here nor there.
The point is that FPSSJ3 Goku was far more powerful than Kid Buu--thus Fat Buu(who, again, was < Kid Buu) would have been fodder in comparison to him.
If that's what you think, then so be it. However, the gap between Perfect Cell and SSJ2 Gohan was less than 2x, yet that was still sufficient for Gohan to utterly TOY with Cell as though he were a weak feeb.
Given that, there's no way Super Buu was 400x> Fat Buu. That multiplier is WAAAAY too high.
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