Traya is still disadvantaged by losing one of her hands to Sion and is a weaker duelist anyway to Dooku. If he forces a duel, she will lose. I doubt she'd be able to successfully retreat and would likely lose her other hand just like she did against Meetra.
That said, I do think she has the advantage in the Force so it's not as if she doesn't have a chance.
Yeah, the difference between the battle with Sidious is that Yoda was actively trying to destroy him at all costs. None of his usual Jedi mantra there.
Yeah, giving Force blasts enough to send Sidious flying and hurling a platform capable of flattening Sidious is indeed harmless. Trying to kill someone with lightsaber(guided by the Force) is anything but harmless and he did try to kill DOoku on both occasions.
Regardless, as I said Yoda pulled lightsabers out of Ventress. Nothing was stopping him from doing the same to Dooku, if as you say Yoda is "obviously" capable, harmless and very effective. It can only mean he couldn't.
Not the best logic to use. Taking that completely literally would mean Yoda would never hit anyone.
He was simply teaching Luke that Jedi can't ever just go around fighting for revenge or any other lame reason. In AOTC there clearly was a reason. Dooku had to be stopped to prevent a Civil war. If that's not fighting for "Defense" then I don't know what is.
And as Arheal's pointed out, Yoda did in fact attack Dooku with his Saber. He may not have gone all out with TK, but your reasoning for not doing so isn't even close to being proof.
Gotta love how people think that using Force to stub someone to death or permanently cripple with lightsaber is more harmless and effective than subduing with TK.
Was Sidious harmed by either of those attacks? Heck, the second one wasn't even really aimed at him. Killing with a lightsaber is completely different from killing with TK. We see Jedi kill droids with the Force all the time but they rarely/never do that against real people. Remember that the Jedi see the Force in an almost religious light. Using it to kill like that would be sacrilegious and a corruption of life itself.
Yoda can't dominate Dooku as easily as he did Ventress. If he wanted to stop Dooku with the Force he'd likely have to go all out to do so.
Dunno, unlike Yoda with Dooku, Luke probably didn't think he could kill with TK. The fact still remains, if Yoda can slam Sidious, Dooku should be no trouble for him.
We can hardly just ignore it. When someone makes the argument that Yoda not dominating with the Force proves he can't, why shouldn't we bring up the possibility that he didn't for a different reason when Yoda himself provides that reason?
Because Yoda' reasoning makes no sense in light of the Prequels. I've posted this for you before, and I'll post it again now to show you have to stop using that line as evidence of anything in the Prequels:
What you get out of this story arc is that you understand, finally, that Yoda in the Clone Wars period is not at all the same person that he is in The Empire Strikes Back. People, I think, have always wondered, “Why [in The Clone Wars] isn’t he like he was in Empire? He’s not as odd, and he’s not as quizzical. Why is he so much more serious in the Clone War and where’s the fun little Yoda who was wise?” Well, he’s not there yet, you see. The story that we tell goes a very long way toward explaining who Yoda is prior to the Clone War and who he becomes after the Clone War.
He basically reaches a certain point of enlightenment and it ties into Qui-Gon and what Yoda talks about in Revenge of the Sith. It makes all those things come together. And then when you look at it, and you hear what he says at the end of this arc versus what he was saying at the beginning, you realize he’s come to a different understanding. In Empire he says things like, “Wars not make one great.” Well, he fought a war. You have to fight through the war, and you have to get through that, and see other people that do that, to have any understanding of that truth. So he can’t be that way [during The Clone Wars]. “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never attack.” Well, the Clone Wars-era Jedi don’t seem to think that way. Maybe that was a long-lost governing principle, but they’re certainly not behaving that way in the Clone War. So you understand that, fundamentally, what a Jedi is during the Clone Wars and the prequel era is different than what Yoda, Qui-Gon, and eventually, Obi-Wan, understand is the truth of being completely selfless.
I know, I'm just saying that's why Filoni's saying what he's saying. Canon!Yoda might have talked that pacifist shit a good game but didn't actually believe it until the OT.
You can also argue that Yoda using the Force offensively prior to OT was mainly for self-defense purposes or for the defense of a greater good (the Republic) when he fought Sids in RotS.
That is stupid logic. If more powerful Force user could simply overpower weaker one, lightsabers wouldn't be needed in the saga at all because in every single fight one Force user has greater potential than the other.
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