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Werewolf582
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Originally posted by carver9
So Prime can clash with someone of equal power and destroy a planet and melt nearby Heralds? Do i have to post all of his clashes to prove you wrong?


If Prime were to "try" he probably could. Just because he doesn't do it doesn't mean he's not capable of it.


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ABHI, you're my boy...enjoy debating with and against you but I have you on ignore friend. Have to follow the mods ruling.


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If Prime were to "try" he probably could. Just because he doesn't do it doesn't mean he's not capable of it.


He did 'try' though.


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Lol, since we're playing the ABC game....

Sodom Yat is a Daxamite, equal to Kryptonians. He also had the Ion entity inside him. The Ion entity enabled Kyle to rewrite reality at will.

SBP was fighting him evenly. Does this mean SBP is equal to a universal power?

The Earth wasn't destroyed. Was it because the Ion entity was weakened? But without scans of its weakening, how do you know?

Superman was able to wrestle angels, lift infinite weight etc....and SBP owned him.


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I'l leave this here since I forgot what all happened here.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...5_039_super.jpg

He doesn't like being called stupid either.

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/i...Pantha_dies.jpg


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Lol, since we're playing the ABC game....

Sodom Yat is a Daxamite, equal to Kryptonians. He also had the Ion entity inside him. The Ion entity enabled Kyle to rewrite reality at will.

SBP was fighting him evenly. Does this mean SBP is equal to a universal power?

The Earth wasn't destroyed. Was it because the Ion entity was weakened? But without scans of its weakening, how do you know?

Superman was able to wrestle angels, lift infinite weight etc....and SBP owned him.


Huh? What does that have to do with what I said? I'm using comparisons. Everything you all are throwing out there, Hulk has pretty much done. Taking on teams, busting through dimensions, rewriting time...overpowering trans/abstracts. The fts are good but they don't depict the winner of this fight.

Like I told you before, I don't have a problem with anyone thinking Prime wins but this isn't a blow out and, I think Hulk holds the physical advantage. Prime would have to do something so out of character to win this that...


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Again, as shown in the scans above, he had control to the point of turning World Breaker Hulk on and off. Power down when he wanted to. Revert back to WWH levels when he wanted too or even go from Banner straight to World Breaker when he wanted. He controlled the power. Don't know where you are getting this from. Casually moving planets is great and all but we are talking about a guy at his weakest that lungs (yes, lungs) was stronger than 133 Hercules and Herc has held planets on his shoulders.

Even Fing Fang was 17.34 Hercs and he was turned to dust by Hulk as well.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/890...35_010.jpg.html


You're not comprehending. At THAT point when THAT feat occurred he was NOT in control of his powers.


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I'l leave this here since I forgot what all happened here.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...5_039_super.jpg

He doesn't like being called stupid either.

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/i...Pantha_dies.jpg


I'm going to leave you with this... no expression

Read the comic for the first scan.


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You're not comprehending. At THAT point when THAT feat occurred he was NOT in control of his powers.


The eastern seaboard?


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The eastern seaboard?


Yes the eastern flipping seaboard


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I'm going to leave you with this... no expression

Read the comic for the first scan.


He was weakened I know that much, however its been a very long time since I've read any of Primes comics.


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Huh? What does that have to do with what I said? I'm using comparisons. Everything you all are throwing out there, Hulk has pretty much done. Taking on teams, busting through dimensions, rewriting time...overpowering trans/abstracts. The fts are good but they don't depict the winner of this fight.

Like I told you before, I don't have a problem with anyone thinking Prime wins but this isn't a blow out and, I think Hulk holds the physical advantage. Prime would have to do something so out of character to win this that...


It's to do with you throwing out Indestructible Hulk and the N-zone glass, or She-Rulk and dimensions.

I'm comparing too. Prime and Ion Yat were pretty equal. Ion is capable of rewriting reality - that's how powerful it is. And Prime was matching it.

OOC? He flies through his opponents. He kills. He uses his speed. He uses his powers. He uses HV and cold breath....what OOC tactic does Prime have to do?


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Lol.

The scan you posted showed Amadeus and the others begging Hulk to control his powers, the implication being, if he lost control, he'd turn into the Hulk, the one that nearly sank the Eastern Seaboard with a step.

Therefore, it was the loss of control which made him nearly sink the Eastern Seaboard.

Control that Prime has.

With the control, he wouldn't sink it. Without it, he sinks it. Nothing to do with his strength level (after all, am sure you remember Gray Hulk destroying the asteroid twice the size of Earth - and he was a 'weaker' Hulk.


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Prime has a feat superior if not comparable to WBH's feat. He moved planets like blitz chess pieces from one star system to another many times the speed of light.

This takes forces beyond your wildest dreams.


As much as h1a8 gets wrong (and he obviously has a basic undergrad or attempted self teaching of a few fields of physics- at least he's trying albeit he could be less arrogant and crass) this fact he expresses alone cannot be overstated. If this is truly understood by even the most level headed supports of "argument" it logically would lead to spite thread in Prime's favor. So instead of being politically correct and not acknowledging that WBH will never be able to stand up to SBP without PIS (also without the amp) which is an honest and less self-deceptive conversation we have a conversation where dogmatism for equality is being pushed when no such equality actually exists in the "arena-sphere" which the battle takes place in. This is because people will be upset that their company's character is beaten. I could care less about DC or Marvel when it comes to these fights. What I care for is how each company and character approach the variables of the encounter. I also care about people using their minds to think with some want to learn what it takes for something to be FTL,what it means in real life, what the implications are for a comic book character/setting, how it could be used- etc. The answers you get will mostly be incompatible for the consistency of their uni/multiverse as we view ours but inconsistency is acceptable in comics multi/omniverse (because it drives the medium) but not in a neutral setting without PIS. These are some of the mental steps you have to go through to get to an actual battle and be on firm footing who you choose will actually be victorious. If you don't understand then do not get upset...learn first then have a intelligent conversation about it I promise it will increase your ability to imagine scenarios more accurately including fictitious environments where feats are powerful forms of evidence to build some bolstering points to support and inform your premise. Power sets are good but if they cannot be used it is a different story entirely. If that cannot be seen then you may be suffering from innumeracy but you can change that. Start learning everyday specifically about basic arithmetic and physics. Do not get deterred by other people or thinking you are stupid- you are not. thumb up

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As much as h1a8 gets wrong (and he obviously has a basic undergrad or attempted self teaching of a few fields of physics- at least he's trying albeit he could be less arrogant and crass) this fact he expresses alone cannot be overstated. If this is truly understood by even the most level headed supports of "argument" it logically would lead to spite thread in Prime's favor. So instead of being politically correct and not acknowledging that WBH will never be able to stand up to SBP without PIS (also without the amp) which is an honest and less self-deceptive conversation we have a conversation where dogmatism for equality is being pushed when no such equality actually exists in the "arena-sphere" which the battle takes place in. This is because people will be upset that their company's character is beaten. I could care less about DC or Marvel when it comes to these fights. What I care for is how each company and character approach the variables of the encounter. I also care about people using their minds to think with some want to learn what it takes for something to be FTL,what it means in real life, what the implications are for a comic book character/setting, how it could be used- etc. The answers you get will mostly be incompatible for the consistency of their uni/multiverse as we view ours but inconsistency is acceptable in comics multi/omniverse (because it drives the medium) but not in a neutral setting without PIS. These are some of the mental steps you have to go through to get to an actual battle and be on firm footing who you choose will actually be victorious. If you don't understand then do not get upset...learn first then have a intelligent conversation about it I promise it will increase your ability to imagine scenarios more accurately including fictitious environments where feats are powerful forms of evidence to build some bolstering points to support and inform your premise. Power sets are good but if they cannot be used it is a different story entirely. If that cannot be seen then you may be suffering from innumeracy but you can change that. Start learning everyday specifically about basic arithmetic and physics. Do not get deterred by other people or thinking you are stupid- you are not. thumb up


Lol semantics


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It's to do with you throwing out Indestructible Hulk and the N-zone glass, or She-Rulk and dimensions.

I'm comparing too. Prime and Ion Yat were pretty equal. Ion is capable of rewriting reality - that's how powerful it is. And Prime was matching it.

OOC? He flies through his opponents. He kills. He uses his speed. He uses his powers. He uses HV and cold breath....what OOC tactic does Prime have to do?


Hulk is Hulk. His name doesn't change the character.

Ion wasn't close to being familiar with that power he had in his possession and even if he did, he had the advantage against Prime until he was stabbed through by his weakness. That's when the battle turned.

He isn't flying through Hulk. He isn't taking Hulk out with Heat Vision. Hulk WILL hit Prime. Wouldn't all of those attacks make Hulk even more angrier?


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And Ion is Ion.

Since when did familiarity have anything to do with it? Scans?

What OOC tactic does SBP have to utilise?


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And Ion is Ion.

Since when did familiarity have anything to do with it? Scans?

What OOC tactic does SBP have to utilise?


Hulk anger increasing or fluctuating (since you know, that is his ability) doesn't have a thing to do with Ion. Hulk power is to amp...just because Savage Hulk is more powerful than he was 2 minutes ago doesn't mean that his fts doesn't belong to him. Again, Hulk is Hulk...except one is more pissed off than the other which still doesn't change a thing with Hulk fts belonging to him.

Lol...so there's no difference between both Ions when it comes to experience?

Bfr and that's even questionable since he will be running into a face full of energy when attempting it.


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You know, I don't normally post here, but this lowballing is ridiculous. Hulk destroyed a planet with the help of an equally powerful She-Rulk, and this means he can take on a guy who tanked a universe-busting explosion? A guy who can fly through the Anti-Monitor's core, the same core that was destroying Guardians, without suffering any damage. The same guy who can take on the GL corps, the Sinestro Corps, the Guardians, and the Earth heroes at the same freaking time. Hell, they had to bfr him to win, and they only managed that after a Guardian kamikazed himself.

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While we dont agree on the outcome, i can agree on the low ball point.
Siding with one character doesnt mean you have to trash the other.


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