Vader in his best showings is faster than Maul. Vader in his worst showings is slower than Maul. His exact speed has always been in flux, because people have different ideas about him and sources contradict each other.
Pretty much this. Vader's speed can vary, but regardless of wether he is slower, equal, or faster than Maul, it is certain on average that the difference is by no means considerable, and it's idiotic to argue that it is (not talking about you of course, it's just a general statement).
Vader's best showings are hyperbole. And no, even with hyperbole feats, Vader is not faster than Maul, who is capable of speedblitzing Magnaguards, slams Grievous before he can react, being faster than Savage and puts up a good fight with Sidious and Mace Windu. (and yeah Sidious & Mace can speedblitz Vader)
Vader is much slower than Maul in general, because Maul doesn't have any embarrassing speed feats like Vader has.
As for hyperbole thing, it is really a stupid thing to take seriously that ''faster than thought'' thing.
First, most people didn't read that novel and only see that ''faster than thought'' part, and says ''hey look Vader is super-fast'' but they don't even know Vader failed to deflect a blaster bolt when that feat happened, writer only gave a credit to Vader before he get shot by a simple thug. Means = Hyperbole.
And if there is someone really thinks here that Vader can contend with Yoda's speed, then that person is really stupid.
__________________ ''You are no warrior, Maul thought. You know nothing of the dark side.'' ★_Darth Maul Respect Thread_★
Last edited by Marco1907 on Oct 18th, 2014 at 01:22 PM
Sidious can speedblitz him. Mace? Not without amp.
His normal speed is not above Vader's, and to whoever says that Vader's good showings are hyperbole (because it is an incontestable law of the SW universe that he MUST be slow, and anything contradicting that notion is wrong right?), I will disregard Mace's and Maul's best speed feats in the same way. You can't have it both ways, either they're all hyperbolic or they aren't.
Last edited by Nargaroth on Oct 18th, 2014 at 02:02 PM
How can he speed blitz someone who is 80% as Powerful as him? Not happening unless he Lightning blasts him before Vader's Saber is ignited (like TFU 2's Dark side ending on Endor).
Dude I told you before, that's Vader's TK and TP potential, of course Vader's TK and TP exceeds Dooku, Maul and maybe even Mace Windu's, but he has two weakness due to his injury ; breathing apparatus and heavy armor makes him slow and vulnerable to force lightning, that is why Sidious can beat Vader easier than Maul & Dooku. Sidious has two advantage ; speed & force lightning while these two are weakness to Vader.
__________________ ''You are no warrior, Maul thought. You know nothing of the dark side.'' ★_Darth Maul Respect Thread_★
Yes, Vader is 80% of Sidious, but while he is more capable than Maul or Mace to augment his speed with the Force, his showings are not better than those of the 3 Council members Palpatine blitzed, all of whom are in his speed class. And going by your logic, he should be considerably faster than Obi-Wan because he is interminably more powerful than him even though his speed feats aren't actually better.
Granted I agree that Vader is considerably more powerful than Maul, and noticeably above Dooku as well, a 20% power gap is still more than enough for Palpatine to ragdoll him.
He didn't ragdoll him, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't. Sidious was clearly toying with him, and Marek's general feats are not better than Vader's anyways, and are actually less impressive.
Last edited by Nargaroth on Oct 18th, 2014 at 10:29 PM
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