Kun's best TK feats are hurling featless Syvlar and defeating a very weakened Odan-Urr.
Maul has better TK than Exar. Maul is more skillful, equally strong, better H2H, more durable, faster.
Kun's only advantage here is sorcery, without it Maul should win.
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Dodging is a response. Proving Kun is equal, let alone superior, to Maul in sabers would be hard to prove, considering Maul's saber feats, accolades, and the feats and accolades of the opponents he's defeated. Not to mention that jedi of Kun's era were pretty much unfamiliar with Kun's style, which would have gave Kun a huge advantage that wouldn't present itself here. I think Kun is more powerful than Maul, but I'm not sure by how much. Kun's "ownage" of Luke was attributed to Kyp's power in the The New Essential Guide to Characters under Kyp's entry, IIRC. Skillz provided me with the passage of the incident, and that seemed to be pretty much the case. Kun was only amping Kyp's already prodigious power, while on a dark side nexus.
Who is Skybreaker, BTW? I'd like to address his argument about Yoda sometime later.
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Well if Kun was able to drag the Sun-crusher from Yavin's core to Yavin IV in a short time his TK must be monstrous. If we assume the SC had a mass of 20 tons and the distance between Yavin Prime and Yavin IV was the same distance as Earth and the Moon, the Kinetic energy built up by tossing that much mass would be insane. The distance between Earth and the Moon is 384,400,000 meters. If it took Kun 10 seconds to bring the SC to Yavin the Kinetic impact would have been equal to a 4 Gigaton blast, which is enough to blow up a small Island. Although I'm pretty sure Kun was using Kyp's power, not his own since Kyp actually has feats to back that up like crushing artificial black holes and tossing around frigates and stuff like that. Also I believe that Kun's spirit had more power than his mortal self, however he needed something to focus his new-found power since that's the drawback of being a spirit.
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Except he didn't lift it, he manipulated the controls of the ship to bring it up. Not to mention that this was a collaborative effort between Exar Kun and Kyp Durron.
Ok good I'm glad that's true. That also means it was Kyp's power that defeated Luke, which again makes sense since Kyp was hyped being stronger than Luke during that trilogy.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
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In sabers eye wanna give it to Maul. In Force powers yeah Kun is able to blast through chunks of the Massassi temple, which I was told withstood some turbolaser firepower. All-out well I think their raw force power is similar but Kun's esoteric abilities will give him the win cause Hax.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
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Sorry but these claims of Kyp's powers are incorrect:
Exar Kun himself possessed a great many other dark powers that he was unable to harness without the energy he needed to fuel his disembodied will. Some of these powers he was able to channel through Kyp, Gantoris, and Streen to achieve his ends. How he was able to do such things is a Sith mystery which has not been revealed for many centuries.
- The Jedi Academy Sourcebook
Exar Kun passed the millennia in uneasy slumber.
A few scant years later, Kun is brought sharply awake by the arrival of not one or two, but a dozen humans blazing with the power he needed to live again. Eagerly but cautiously, Kun observes each arrival, probing for weaknesses and the power he needs to restore his lost reserves of energy. For a time, he is able to subside by feeding on their residual energy, but soon he will need worshippers if he is to grow more active. With a nucleus of followers to provide him energy-providing anger and fear, Kun will have enough power to escape his exile and take on human form. To his surprise, Kun recognizes the leader to be the same man who had visited Yavin Four years earlier, now much more powerful in the Force. Too powerful, for the moment, for Kun to tackle.
Kun finds Gantoris, strong-willed and impatient to learn, to be a more promising first candidate. He easily seduces Gantoris in the same manner that Nadd had seduced him—by promising forbidden knowledge and the truly powerful Jedi secrets Gantoris cannot wait to learn. Carefully building up and feeding on the anger of his first apprentice, Kun grows in power. Soon he feels confident to make an attempt to subvert Luke, knowing that if he can sway the teacher, the students will all follow. Kun, posing as Anakin Skywalker, appears to Luke and attempts to pull him toward the forbidden Sith teachings by tempting hi to use Sith power to seize control of the New Republic and destroy the Empire. Realizing that this shade is not that of his father, Luke rejects the offer.
Enraged and drained, Kun returns to Gantoris. Desperate for more energy, he goads Gantoris to new heights of anger by showing him the Eol Sha colonists dying on Dantooine. Gantoris is pushed too far, however, and turns on his Sith master. Realizing that Gantoris is no longer his, Kun utterly drains him to provide himself a reserve of energy to last until he can subvert more students.
Kun has just begun edging in on Streen when Kyp Durron arrives at the Jedi Academy. Kun immediately senses in the young man his ideal subject. Like Gantoris, Kyp is strong-willed and impatient to learn. Moreover, he is far more powerful than the Eol Sha leader, and young enough to be overconfident and naive.
Over a number of weeks, Kun slowly bends Kyp to his will, and begins to augment his power. He grows very powerful on Kyp's hate, and soon his hold on Kyp is so complete that he can send Kyp beyond the planet to do his will and still retain control over his subject. Ultimately, he has Kyp return to Yavin Four and helps him reclaim the Sun Crusher. He also bolsters Kyp's talents to allow him to defeat Luke and place him in a coma.
- The Jedi Academy Sourcebook
She[Tionne] supposes that the students have a chance of defeating him, since Kun no longer has his servants to draw power from, he[Streen] is his only source.
- The Jedi Academy Sourcebook
“Exar Kun, help me,” Kyp said, closing his eyes.
He reached out with his mind, following the paths of the Force that led to every object in the universe, drawing power from the cosmic focal point of the Massassi temple. He searched, sending his thoughts like a probe deep into the storm systems of the gas giant. Behind him, Kyp felt the black-ice power of Exar Kun arise, tapping into him and reinforcing his abilities. His own feeble exploratory touch suddenly plunged forward like a blaster bolt. Kyp felt larger, a part of the jungle moon, then a part of the entire planetary system, until he burrowed into the heart of the gas giant itself.The Sun Crusher approached like a long, sharp thorn of crystalline alloy, cruising upright on its long axis. The toroidal resonance-torpedo launcher hung at the bottom of the long hook. It looked beautiful. The Sun Crusher descended through the jungle moon’s atmosphere, straight down—like a spike to impale the Great Temple. Kyp controlled it, slowed its descent, until the superweapon hovered to a stop, suspended in front of him.
As the sky brightened with planetrise, the alloy hull of the Sun Crusher seemed as pristine as a firefacet gem, scoured of all oxidation and debris by the intense temperatures and pressures at the core of Yavin. The Sun Crusher looked clean, and deadly, and ready for him.
“Thank you, Exar Kun,” Kyp whispered.
- Jedi Academy Trilogy: Dark Apprentice
Kyp's own sense powers are found wanting against Exar Kun.
Kun needs others as a spirit to fuel his own powers, he has no energy reserves himself.
In-fact Kyp's own corruption is directly stated to be solely due to Exar kun, as soon as Kun is banished, Kyp loses all his hate and anger.
Kun is NOT more powerful as a spirit, that is false, he is most powerful in his own body, Baas states this outright and it is Kun's plan to return to the physical realm.
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I'm not sure for this one, Maul is the better duelist, and his TK can at the very least knock Kun back or stagger him whereas Kun's blasts without a nexus won't do as much and Maul can dodge them/obviously wont let him charge them. Maul is also faster, Kun's speed feats withstanding creating after images of his blade/leaving multiple afterglows (which are inferior feats to Mauls)
Kun's illusions might be difficult, but Maul's willpower is sufficient enough to make them negligible at least for a majority. I'm siding with Maul at least 6-8/10 times with the odd few rounds for Kun via his force abilities
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Maul is not the better duelist, they are about equal in reality.
TK? the only time Kun has ever suffered a successful TK attack is when Nadd, a spirit, collapsed rocks on him.
The nexus argument used against Kun is so incorrect that it's sad, please genuinely read Tales of the Jedi and the companions.
Vodo and Kun were fighting so fast they appeared as a blur to Sylvar, Nomi and Cay(three powerful Jedi Knights) so no Maul's speed feats aren't greater.
Kun won't use such illusions, he'll just freeze his lightsaber when things get serious.
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Maul fighting evenly with Mace Windu, beating Savage Opress, physically taking down Grievous/outfighting him, pwning Aayla Secura are all feats that surpass Kun beating Vodo (who is equivalent to Jinn) and fighting evenly with Ulic . I think they're on the same tier as duelists personally, but Maul's feats are simply better.
Kun's speed feats are solid, roughly equivalent to Qui Gon Jinn's, Agen Kolar's, Quinlan Vos's etc, Maul is faster than all of those fighters. Maul has formed webs of light out of his lightsaber, fought faster than Komari Vosa could perceive, dodging a freight train, moving so fast that advanced recording equipment had to be slowed to see him, throwing blows imperceptibly fast etc.
Maul is also physically stronger. Kun has smashed a holocron, smashed Vodo into the ground in one swoop as well as Crado, and had the impact of his meeting blades with Crado resound from miles around. Maul has broken durasteel binders, driven his fist through a wampas torso, ripped the skull off of a varactyl, smashed durasteel droids, and broken bones on contact.
The only advantage Kun has is sorcery, and that would only grant him a few rounds at most considering Kun prefers fighting his enemies with a saber as opposed to fighting with the force. Kun's blasts are no issue for Maul
Quote/scan for that? That still wouldn't be a superior feat to anything by Maul, but that would be a great feat for Kun
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Windu is the only one you have listed that is definitely superior to either Vodo or Ulic, in-fact I'd say they are better than both Aayla and Savage and would win with high difficulty against Grievous.
Maul doesn't win by default just because he can square up against PT duelists.
Vodo has been listed as an all-time great lightsaber master in the Order's history in sourcebooks, Ulic is stated to be the best duelist the Order has seen by this point. Proven by the fact that without a Force connection, he stomped a Dark Side enraged Sylvar, whom is stated to be second only to Kun among all of Vodo's students.
Cay and Nomi are stated to be very powerful in the Force, Cay is even stated to be Ulic's near equal, far more so than Vosa and they could only witness a blur.
Kun has broken through a wall of Beskar and smashed through Vodo's staff twice despite it being stated to be stronger than Kun's blade in the first place.
This is all-out so using the PIS argument is invalid, as soon as this turns to the Force, Maul is out-matched in every way.
Kun is stated to be far more powerful than any one Jedi of his time, that Vodo never stood a chance against him in a duel. He even showed immunity to a Sever Force attack by Odan Urr, a peerless master of the technique whom severed countless Sith in the GHW.
Kun and Maul are roughly equal as duelists, in the Force Kun has a strong edge.
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