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Maul, Ventress and Kenobi vs. Dooku and Anakin
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Marco1907
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He kicked him over some stairs. What the heck does have have to do with a Djem So weakness?

Do you need me to show you Dooku kicking Skywalker rendering him helpless?


C'mon now, he fall there because of kinetic power of Anakin's Djem so, Obi-Wan never managed to kick Dooku for example, because he can't regenerate enough kinetic power with Soresu.


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C'mon now, he fall there because of kinetic power of Anakin's Djem so, Obi-Wan never managed to kick Dooku for example, because he can't regenerate enough kinetic power with Soresu.



Yet Dooku is able to floor Anakin with a kick. Why is that? Makashi doesn't generate kinetic force either.

Face it, being able to kick someone has nothing to do with the Form they use.

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Anakin destroyed Dooku. Absolutely, and Dooku is superior to those two together. And not that long ago, you claimed Anakin was Obi-Wan level in all aspects.


I don't recall suggesting Anakin was Obi-Wan level in all aspects. I've always been among those who say that Anakin is above Obi-Wan in most regards and is very much approaching Dooku in sabers and the Force. But not as good as him. Anakin imo is betwen Obi-Wan and Dooku level. And Ventress and Savage are on Obi-Wan's level. Thus they approach him and can give him a decent fight. It's that simple.

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You claimed HoT as of Act I was more powerful than Revan, who has shown to be leagues above these two. As for Zannah, you claimed that wasn't the case and that Zannah was as skilled as Bane in almost all aspects and that she could dominate almost the entire mythos.


If I did claim that then I was being unusually stupid that day. The HoT only reaches Revan's level in Act III imo. Also I wouldn't say Swtor Scourge is leagues lower than Revan.

Zannah is as skilled as Bane in almost all aspects. That doesn't mean her victory wasn't circumstantial.


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Yet Dooku is able to floor Anakin with a kick. Why is that? Makashi doesn't generate kinetic force either.

Face it, being able to kick someone has nothing to do with the Form they use.


I meant kicking Dooku only. He is not taking lots of kicks unlike other combatants.


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C'mon now, he fall there because of kinetic power of Anakin's Djem so, Obi-Wan never managed to kick Dooku for example, because he can't regenerate enough kinetic power with Soresu.


No that doesn't make any sense. Dooku gave Anakin a greater kick.

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So ? Obi-Wan was more hindered than Anakin


No, you aren't getting it. Both players knowing one another's moves will result in the duel being prolonged. Obi Wan not being willing to kill Anakin won't really affect his ability to defend himself and retreat continuously.

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I already told you, Anakin used his Djem So advantage against Dooku's makashi


Obviously you never read the novel; Dooku was dominated by Anakin in both planes of the battlefield to an extent that the latter was essentially rendered helpless in every capacity. It was hardly a matter of disparate forms, as though Dooku had never encountered djem so before.

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Don't be an idiot; Anakin Skywalker at his peak destroyed Dooku in one of the most dominating dueling performances in the canon.


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Obviously you never read the novel; Dooku was dominated by Anakin in both planes of the battlefield to an extent that the latter was essentially rendered helpless in every capacity. It was hardly a matter of disparate forms, as though Dooku had never encountered djem so before.


It's not a true man. Luke vs Vader (on DSII) was much more one-sided duel. Anakin fought Dooku with Obi-Wan's support, and they were unable to find any advantage over him. He kicked Anakin twice, and use Force push and Force choke on Kenobi.
In their last battle in TCW they couldn't even touch him, while he managed to kick them a lot.

Only Anakin who was using all of his strenght and powers could defeat Dooku. But still, Dooku wasn't as dominated as you think he was. At the end of the duel, he almost stoped Anakin's furious assault, and lost only because he lost his balance which enabled Anakin to grab his wrists with his hand. Anakin won, because he outmaneuvered Count and not because he dominated him.

And Anakin hadn't any advantage during this duel, until he stared to using his full fury. Stover's novel is opposite to the canon at that point.

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