The Wishing Well did not change the fundamental ways that her powers worked. Did any of the other characters under the Wishing Well suddenly change their power sets? She was given the ability to keep pace with the Hulk, and not overheat like Rulk did when he was fighting Thor and Savage Hulk. Betty like Rulk, was given the ability to drain powers, and abilities when they became Red Hulk's. However, they had limits to the amount of power that they could drain like all characters have limits. This includes the Silver Surfer.
Insane Titan said that Rulk drained a noob Surfer, what was Uatu's excuse? He would have drained the Surfer no matter what the Surfer's skill was at that point in time. you have to remember that at the time of the HOTM arc, they had not yet begun to nerf Rulk's powers down, or wirte him up to never being able to change back to human if he used his powers in those ways again. Actually Betty was never given those restrictions from my knowledge. At her most powerful, she was beyond the Surfer, just like she was beyond the high Herald class.
What does this have to do with anything DS? Red She Hulk was a world breaker. WW Hulk was a high Herald, and he was written to be far below what he became in the dark dimension. Another character does not have to have infinite power to defeat the Surfer, why even bring that ridiculous tactic to the forefront? Betty was more powerful than the Surfer, and she would be able to drain him just like Rulk was able to drain him, and Uatu, who was in turn drained by Betty. Not to mention that I already stated that red hulk's were shown to have limits.
Both of their powers worked the same, the only difference here is that Betty was far more powerful than Rulk was when she was in the Dark Dimension. You may not even be able to calculate the disparity in power between the two. They had the exact same powers, and it didn't take the kind of concentration to drain their victims as it does for Green Lanterns to pull off their higher power stunts. This is why I made certain to mention how a red Hulk's powers were both innate, and conscious when being used offensively. You can continue to try to ignore Betty being above the high herald mark if you want to, but it won't change the fact that she was.
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Oh and I'm not the one ignoring power level here. You are. The Wishing Well gave Betty the ability to go up as high as needed to match the Hulk. This is something that you may be ignoring.
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One theyre feats arent interchangeable no matter how similar their powerset and two that's why i created the match to see where she should be ranked and who other than the best herald in the tier to test her
Okay I didn't realize the true reason why you set up this match, but betty was as powerful as World Breaker Hulk was, due mainly to the Wishing Well's properties enabling her to match the Hulk as he climbed in power. This is because she was actively using her powers, and the Wishing Well kept her from overloading as she ramped up with him. She was a solid Trans tier character. All things considered.
Well, that isn't a way to test her since you've handicapped her and then put Norman in a mindset he rarely if ever use on panel. An argument can be made for him beating anyone outside of Odin. She is ranked where she should be ranked at in this kind of state..trans tier. Don't be a hater Sin because your acting like one.
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Handicapped how is she handicapped? She's at her most powerful iirc. Norrin is simply fighting with cis off. I already stated in the op he does not go OOC so your point holds no weight
You can fight to the best of your ability with CIS still being on though. For instance, if the Karate Kid fought to the best of his ability against the Surfer who had power dampeners on, stopping him from firing off energy blasts, KK would kick his butt in. His ability to combat KK under these terms does not somehow lesson him, or turn him into a moron. It would just showcase KK's knowledge of martial arts, which are superior to Norrin's.
CIS being on does not make a character a moron. Even with it off there will always be a level or limit to their combat ability or knowledge. For instance if you gave Batman the Iron Man armor, he would be more dangerous than Tony is with the armor. The Surfer isn't that great of a fighter, because he doesn't have to be.
Well if you were to take CIS completely off you would have people making claims about the Surfer that he has not shown to be capable of on average. Besides you can't have it both ways. You said from the jump, that the Surfer would not fight out of character. I'm just saying, that he can still fight in character to the best of his ability like any other character can. That's all that I'm saying.
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