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Originally posted by Reflassshh
Mm not sure he meant that but meh. he changed that face plate for something less likely to be opened in order to prevent that happening again iirc.

Is this pre or post arena monarch? If it's the latter i don't think the mask argument would matter much..

Yes he said it. Also denied it ruptured his suit which monarch specifically says that's what happened. Earlier he even claimed Ds hasn't fought anyone solo either...that was proven wrong as well.

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Originally posted by carver9
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Don't get why you are saying what you are saying. Monarch fts overall poops on Darkseid, so why are you even making this a fight? Based off fts, this isn't even a challenge for Monarch. Just because Prime (who fts also spits on Darkseid) ruptured the suit doesn't mean Darkseid can.

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Lifted his face mask, not rupture his suit. Monarch suit afterwards didn't posses the same face mask and after this was done, Monarch closed it easily.

Also, it's not like Monarch will be sitting in one spot allowing this. He will be attacking with enough power to drop Darkseid.

Why? His power increased not the suit itselt. He used the same one pre and post arena.

You're missing the point. If a being much much weaker then Ds did that why is it so hard for you to believe Ds couldnt repeat that to a higher degree? Not saying prime level just that he could rupture the suit which as shown carver claimed he couldn't.

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Yes he said it. Also denied it ruptured his suit which monarch specifically says that's what happened. Earlier he even claimed Ds hasn't fought anyone solo either...that was proven wrong as well.

Why? His power increased not the suit itselt. He used the same one pre and post arena.

You're missing the point. If a being much much weaker then Ds did that why is it so hard for you to believe Ds couldnt repeat that to a higher degree? Not saying prime level just that he could rupture the suit which as shown carver claimed he couldn't.

So you're saying darkseid would somehow know that monarch's weak spot is his mask?.

Even if he did, how would that help him?.

I honestly don't see darkseid beating Monarch. but maybe that's just me

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The debate isn't whether or not DS can rupture Monarch's suit.

It's whether or not that helps him.

I don't think it does smile

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I wonder how the Omega Effect would do to Monarch.

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So you're saying darkseid would somehow know that monarch's weak spot is his mask?.

Even if he did, how would that help him?.

I honestly don't see darkseid beating Monarch. but maybe that's just me

Of course not. Neither did the green lantern but lantern bat did it himself.

Again not debating it would. Just that he can and could rupture the suit.

Again not debating who would win. Just the incorrect statements he never fought someone solo and he couldn't rupture the suit.

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The debate isn't whether or not DS can rupture Monarch's suit.

It's whether or not that helps him.

I don't think it does

Actually the opposite. I was debating he could and one argued he couldn't.

Not debating if it would help or not.

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Originally posted by krisblaze
The debate isn't whether or not DS can rupture Monarch's suit.

It's whether or not that helps him.

I don't think it does

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Of course not. Neither did the green lantern but lantern bat did it himself.

Again not debating it would. Just that he can and could rupture the suit.

Again not debating who would win. Just the incorrect statements he never fought someone solo and he couldn't rupture the suit.

That was luck imo. but then again monarch is overconfident and that may happen again.

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Actually the opposite. I was debating he could and one argued he couldn't.

Not debating if it would help or not.

I phrased it poorly.

The debate SHOULD not be about that stick out tongue

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Yes he said it. Also denied it ruptured his suit which monarch specifically says that's what happened. Earlier he even claimed Ds hasn't fought anyone solo either...that was proven wrong as well.

Why? His power increased not the suit itselt. He used the same one pre and post arena.

You're missing the point. If a being much much weaker then Ds did that why is it so hard for you to believe Ds couldnt repeat that to a higher degree? Not saying prime level just that he could rupture the suit which as shown carver claimed he couldn't.

His suit after the Arena looks completely different than we he fought the heros in the Arena. How would Darkseid even know to attack the face plate (if it's still there)?

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Based on what we've seen so far, I'm leaning Monarch.

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I wonder how the Omega Effect would do to Monarch.

It would evidently just bounce right off him, according to some of the 'logic' in this thread. thumb up

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I wonder how the Omega Effect would do to Monarch.

Based off fts, it shouldn't do a thing to Monarch. Look at everything he endured while facing the heros.

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Yes, Monarch tanked attacks from a bunch of ALTERNATE heroes that cannot be quantified... Yet somehow this equates to him no-selling an attack that, at HALF power, KO'd the Superman for an entire issue.

Lol, love the logic. thumb up

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Monarch was a beast. We know where he stands.

Not enough info on Darkseid.

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Monarch was a beast. We know where he stands.

Not enough info on Darkseid.

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This thread is funny thumb up

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Originally posted by carver9
His suit after the Arena looks completely different than we he fought the heros in the Arena. How would Darkseid even know to attack the face plate (if it's still there)?

It's the same suit.

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I wonder how the Omega Effect would do to Monarch.

I was wondering the same exact thing.

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Yes, Monarch tanked attacks from a bunch of ALTERNATE heroes that cannot be quantified... Yet somehow this equates to him no-selling an attack that, at HALF power, KO'd the Superman for an entire issue.

Lol, love the logic.

We know the power-level of red son Superman, Johnny Quick and Breach at least, and they were absolutely -nothing- compared to him.

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