"Although fans of both Kong and Godzilla argue to this day, Toho has declared that King Kong was meant to win . Not only was King Kong the star and hero of the film, but Kong was much more popular than Godzilla at this ..."
Although fans of both Kong and Godzilla argue to this day, Toho has declared that King Kong was meant to win . Not only was King Kong the star and hero of the film, but Kong was much more popular than Godzilla at this ...
Your opinion is just your own. The company intended for Kong to win and I always back the facts. The company dictates what occurs and we are all free to have our opinion but make no mistake Kong won. Call it luck or whatever you want but Kong won.
And it's my prediction Kong will come off looking better overall in the new matchup though I doubt either party will have a clear definitive win over the other.
Godzilla getting covered under rubble by an outside force isn't really a Kong victory. That's like saying a boxer won because his opponent was KO'd by someone in the audience throwing a brick.
The only thing they argued was what the intention of the ending was, seeing as it happened off-screen.
Again, I am aware of that press release, being a long time Kaiju fan. And hence I give the kong the victory for it, but even counting it Kong has a 1-2 record against Godzilla. And that single win Kong got was with lots of outside context.
Thus Kong hardly looked superior at all. They made it clear that Godzilla was his physical superior in a normal situation, seeing as Godzilla knocked him clean out, twice. Whereas Kong never managed to knock Godzilla out even once, even after getting two power amps.
There is always context to everything but what I'm saying is the company views this as a Kong win. I've always said this was. Kong ein so my opinion matches the intent of the company. I liked Godzilla far more as a child than Kong but acknowledged Kong lost. It's just like a freaky catch in a close football game that's viewed as lucky. You can't separate the fact the team made the insane catch and diminish their victory in that manner.
Winning is the name of the game. He won. Kong did what he had to do to come out on top. Godzilla losing despite his physicality only makes him look worse because of his inherent advantages.
With all this being said let's talk about their upcoming battle. Do you prefer the new Godzilla to the new Kong ? How do you believe their matchup will be portrayed in their upcoming mega fight ?
Godzilla losing like he did doesn't make him look bad. It actually makes him look ultra protected.
Godzilla was the villain in that that movie and he lost like how a lot of villains who are physically superior to their opponents lose; to plot contrivance. A lot of your favorite characters are villains and they usually lose by plot contrivance as well, and yet, they usually lose flat out on-screen.
Godzilla on the other hand 'lost' in an unknown manner OFF-screen, and he lost after his opponent went through two power amps just to get on even footing. And to top it off, it wasn't even entirely Kong's doing that made him lose. It was a freak earthquake that Kong had nothing to do with.
So no, a hail marry catch in a ball game is not a worthy analogy.
As for who I'm supporting? Godzilla of course. Godzilla went on to become the most famous monster in the world after their first encounter whereas Kong suffered years of dormancy and irrelevancy. I like this new Kong, hell I liked old Kong too, but they are not on the same level. So yeah, I'm supporting Godzilla, who has had decades of dominance in the monster community after their meeting.
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-First fight was super short. King Kong ran away from Godzilla because he didn't have an answer to his atomic breath.
-Second fight happened after Kong amped himself by chewing on power lines (this kong was worshipped as a thundergod on his island and had an affinity to electricity), but Godzilla knocked him clean out. He actually knocked him out twice in this same fight. First with a kangaroo kick down a mountain side, and then as Godzilla made his way down to him Kong slowly started to stir, his eyes were open again and he was starting to rise, until Godzilla slapped him in the head with his tail and knocked him clean out again.
-Then while Godzilla was burying Kong under boulders and setting his would-be grave on fire, a freak electrical storm came out of nowhere and revived Kong and amped him up. Even giving him electrical powers. They have a back and forth fight and then they both fall off a cliff into the ocean. A random earthquake comes out of nowhere and Kong manages to surface, and Godzilla apparently got trapped (hence in the next movie when he fought mothra, he appears by burrowing out of the ground).
I disagree when Toho created Godzilla. You'd think they'd have their guy win but I guess they didn't believe he'd prevail.
Had King Kong needed outside help through his own resourcefulness I'd see your point. Kong prevailed despite according to you Godzilla's physical superiority. It's like saying the best team lost the sbowl. Fact is they still lost no matter the persons perception or the stats going in.
Kong had to deal with the same circumstances and he came out on top. I guess it's like a rainy game affecting the game but one team still wins and still had to play through the same weather. Kong prevailed. Excuses. It also doesn't matter since Toho already knew Kong was going to win.
Meh. The older movies I grew up loving are barely watchable these days. Especially the dubbed Godzilla films. The new Godzilla was lukewarm. It wasn't terrible by any means but really failed to emotionally grab me save a few times. I did like when he roared at the end and wasn't sure who I'd favor since I grew up a Godzilla supporter as a kid.
Times change. This Kong's film was much better and I enjoyed Kong's actions, his altruistic nature on his island, and his battle savvy. Americans also do films far better than the Japanese IMO. This only made 61 million in the United States which isn't very impressive considering this budget. It hasn't released in China which I hope does very well but from what I'm reading online needs to make 500 million worldwide to bring in a profit. I'm going yo definitely see this again as I want this combined universe to last until the very least to 2020 to see these two go head to head. In an ideal world I'd love for them all to be extremely successful and eventually bring in Pacific Rim. The more fantasy the better.
Godzilla was their own property. And it was still relatively new and unused at the time.
Kong was a temporary license they got, and he had already been around for decades by the time they got him and was famous.
It's likely that Toho's contract with RKO had Kong winning as a requirement, and since it was a license that they planned to use for more than one movie, they likely didn't have a problem doing that.
Even still, Godzilla was protected in his loss. Hell, Kong even had an assist from the humans, when they air-dropped him down a mountain, making him slide right towards Godzilla and thus gave him the opening attack.
My point is you think they'd want to favor their own property over the other one.
Are you sure or just speculating ?
He got a ride into the final battle but he won on his own. Either way who cares these are grander times we live in. The crap from their fight looks ridiculous and terrible.
Let's just hope this Monsterverse is successful enough to give us the matchup the fans deserve.
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