Through power-scaling we can put Satele, Zallow and Aryn comfortably above the Jedi who collapsed two buildings on Malgus too, based on his performance against them. None of them should be underestimated.
1. It indicates a certain level of parity between them. You keep reiterating that "Koon lost" yet failing to make any mention of the fact that it was because of his mask, not a loss in terms of skill. Dueling Savage is most certainly a test of your skill as well, and the notion that Ahsoka is a better duelist than him is pretty preposterous IMO. Savage is a mixture of skill and physical stats, so I tend to tier him based on his overall fighting ability rather than raw skill, and in terms of raw fighting ability Savage, and by proxy Koon, are around Ventress' level, when you consider all of their common encounters with each other.
2. It isn't an "incredible" feat by any means, but it is impressive. It however doesn't put Zallow on Koon's level considering his relatively back and forth fight with Ventress. Ventress actually has impressive dueling feats, like dueling evenly with Kenobi, challenging Anakin frequently, forcing Mace to use "all of his skills" to repel her, and so on, so Koon dueling her with some parity puts him above both Malgus and Zallow.
Saying Kao is "likely" as skilled as Koon is pure conjecture on your part, and you again fail to make mention of context - Kao was fatigued when Malgus poured on his final assault.
3. Disregard it all you want. Yeah, it was from a few months prior to TPM IIRC, in the novel Shadow Hunter. Even then Maul's lightsaber training had been completed so he would be as skilled as he was during TPM. I don't think I need to go over why Koon didn't merely "lose" to Savage again.
4. I'm not saying Plo Koon is above Malgus purely because of what era is he from - I'm comparing their feats. I was saying that Malgus' accolade alone does not put him above Koon, because none of the duelists Malgus would have been presumably better than have Koon's feats. You can keep accusing me of bias but I don't really care, to be honest, I have nothing against TOR era and I've dabbled in more than just PT in my reading.
I think it'd be pretty hard to beat Koon in sabers considering Malgus isn't as good a duelist as Koon.
You've merely repeated Malgus' feats which I'm well aware of. Again, in my opinion the fight goes down depending on how Malgus chooses to fight, if he exercises his power advantage he can win, if he focuses on dueling he's probably going to lose.
I'm willing to agree to disagree with you if you feel like we're at an impasse? Because we're beginning to repeat some of our initial points now.
Yeah, I'd probably give Koon the nod over Zallow. The latter is absolutely on his level, though. Likewise, Koon won't be taking Malgus for a majority--especially if this is post-waifu.
Also, Savage's own skills are pretty vastly underrated tbh.
Zallow has no real feats of skill to compare with Savage fighting evenly with Ventress, killing Adi Gallia, and being a pain to Kenobi/Skywalker. He is literally featless apart from dying to Malgus. Beating no-name fodder characters isn't as impressive as what we've seen from Savage, Malgus at this point is more powerful than Savage and likely as skilled.
Source for Maul saying he could solo the Jedi temple? He said Plo Koon would be a challenge for him, and Plo's skill is already attested to the feat of skill he performed by fighting Ventess with one arm. This is a superior feat to anything Malgus displayed at this time.
Plo wins via superior skill first round
And Malgus gets slaughtered the 2nd round
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Last edited by carthage on Oct 29th, 2014 at 01:53 AM
If Malgus as of Deceived struggled with Zallow (who is a solid duelist), he is going to gradually lose to Plo Koon who is easily more skilled.
I agree Malgus post-Eleena would take Koon out, but that iteration of Malgus would lose imo
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I forgot to reply but yeah. I'll quickly reply to a few things though.
You can fight someone for a few pages without actually being equal to them. I wouldn't say Adi Gallia is Ventress/Obi-Wan level just because she lasted 2 minutes against Savage. And that Koon lost because of his mask is irrelevant. Why do you think Malgus can't do the same thing?
Ahsoka has more lightsaber skill than Savage. I didn't say she was better than him in a duel.
I'd say it is an incredible feat, yeah. Blitzing the best Sith Warriors in the Empire would be like blitzing Magnaguards for the PT equivalent (the really good ones, not the shitty ones that even Ahsoka can beat). Even Anakin and Obi-Wan have issues with them sometimes.
IIRC Koon fought Ventress right at the start of the Clone Wars. So she wasn't nearly as good at that point as she was later. Dueling her doesn't indicate superiority to Malgus and Zallow in either case.
Malgus has superior speed, strength and durability (he can tank multiple lightsaber blows) plus he's considerably more powerful. Even if Koon does have the skill advantage, he's still outmatched and it won't matter.
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Oct 28th, 2014 01:07 PM
