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Rank these villain/hero rivalries!

Good comicbook antagonists are not just about the hate or the colorful schemes, they can also challenge heroes in different levels, even going as far as to compete with them for similar goals. Instead of being one-sided these polar opposites recognize each other and have some respect for what they mean or stand for.

Since this is a great concept, why not play in rivalries? I thought about some of the most emblematic ones that came to mind (they are different from one another, so maybe you'll find they aren't really rivalries, that's fine, use this thread at your leisure).

Anyways, my picks:

Magneto and Professor X.
Loki and Thor.
Doctor Doom and Reed Richards.
Hercules and Ares.
Sinestro and Hal Jordan.


I wish I had more DC examples in mind but my mind since to be dry stick out tongue


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The only antagonists in that list is Magneto/Xavier. Doom and Reed is entirely one-sided since Doom just hates on Reed, Hercules and Ares are gods and cannot be compared or whatsoever, Loki and Thor are just a sibling rivalry gone cosmic and while superior to Hal/Sinestro have a workplace dispute and are not really antagonists so to speak.


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A lot of these guys aren't truly villains, at least in recent memory. Loki and Thor work together, Ares was a bona fide Avenger and Magneto was part of the X men


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Originally posted by riv6672
The only antagonists in that list is Magneto/Xavier. Doom and Reed is entirely one-sided since Doom just hates on Reed, Hercules and Ares are gods and cannot be compared or whatsoever, Loki and Thor are just a sibling rivalry gone cosmic and while superior to Hal/Sinestro have a workplace dispute and are not really antagonists so to speak.


Doom hates Reed, but he also sees him as one of the smartest men he knows, deep down he considers him the only one able to keep up with him and give him a challenge thumb up

Herc/Ares and Loki/Thor, per your own words, are a sibling rivalry, totally a rivalry thumb up

You just described Hal/Sinestro like a dispute, which is the origin of the very word "antagonist" thumb up

But I guess it's my fault for telling you to nitpick me on the OP stick out tongue


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Antagonists are people a group of people or institutions that represent the opposition against which the protagonist must contend.
As originally envisioned this is Magneto and the Brotherhood and Xavier and the School for Gifted Youngsters. So, they count.

The operative word in workplace rivalry is rivalry. It comes from the Latin, riv6672. smile


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LOL Hal/Sinestro as "workplace dispute"! Makes it sound like Sinestro was pissed off with Hal because he borrowed his pencil sharpener and forgot to return it!

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LOL Hal/Sinestro as "workplace dispute"! Makes it sound like Sinestro was pissed off with Hal because he borrowed his pencil sharpener and forgot to return it!

How ELSE do you think Sinestro gets his mustache so pointy??? wink


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Antagonists are people a group of people or institutions that represent the opposition against which the protagonist must contend.
As originally envisioned this is Magneto and the Brotherhood and Xavier and the School for Gifted Youngsters. So, they count.

The operative word in workplace rivalry is rivalry. It comes from the Latin, riv6672. smile


Here my friend, I found a very technical an obscure site that refutes your tight definition of an antagonist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antagonist

They even use the world "rivalry" on it.

But what do I know right? English is not my first language, obviously you win thumb up


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How ELSE do you think Sinestro gets his mustache so pointy??? wink


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But what do I know right? English is not my first language, obviously you win thumb up

Well since you're putting words in my mouth to make it seem i'm trying to put you down, i guess i do win? huh


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Well since you're putting words in my mouth to make it seem i'm trying to put you down, i guess i do win? huh


Easiest win ever!

Can't you accept victory without kicking a man while he's down?


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There you go putting words in my mouth again. Or rather my foot in your ribs. laughing out loud


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I honestly wouldn't consider Xavier and Magneto to fit the bill, really. Not always anyway. Their relationship veers wildly from trying to kill each other to homosexual tension at times, so it's hard to classify them properly, imo.

Though you covered that in the op, so...


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You really get homosexual tension from those two?
I always got more of a dirty old man vibe from them. Both have gone after way younger women...


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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A lot of these guys aren't truly villains, at least in recent memory. Loki and Thor work together, Ares was a bona fide Avenger and Magneto was part of the X men


Again, what's a true villain in this day and age? The kids want to see Sabretooth leading the Avengers and Carnage dating Mary Jane, we cannot disappoint the kids.

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You really get homosexual tension from those two?
I always got more if a dirty old man vibe from them. Both have gone after way younger women...


Now Frank Miller has to write those two.


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You really get homosexual tension from those two?
I always got more of a dirty old man vibe from them. Both have gone after way younger women...


It goes both ways. It veers between them, etc.


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Haha you said they go both ways! laughing


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What about Batman and the Joker? I always thought they had something of a yin/yang psychology going, almost a sense of ... mutual "ownership"? Eg...

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Wolverine and Sabertooth fits this thread to a tee.


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