Nah IM3 sucked balls. People just give it a free pass because it's Marvel and because it's RDJ's IM. That doesn't mean they loved it. In fact I've already told you how it undersold on Dvd and Blu-Ray compared to the gigantic box office it brought in.
LOL I'm sure people did think it was "funnier" than Avengers. But comparing it to Avengers in any other way would be stupid.
Yes it was better than SM3. I'll give it that much. But honestly like SM3 I find it torture to watch again. Like SM3 it's a movie that didn't take itself seriously at all. It's better than SM3 but the fact that it's even a comparison says it all.
Oh yeah I'll still be the first person there on OW for IM4, just hoping they can find that magic again from IM1.
But tbh I don't see the difficulty in just making a "good" sequel for IM. If it's not as magical as IM1 it should at least be good, and I'm really surprised they've failed to do even that for IM2 and IM3.
I'm sure they won't screw it up again.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Nov 2nd, 2014 at 12:10 PM
No I don't. Some things work for some people and not others. Even though I hated MoS, I acknowledge there's some people who really liked it. BTW, on most review sites MoS has mixed reviews. IM3, on the other hand, has mostly positive reviews. Most people somewhat enjoyed IM3, the minority that didn't absolutely hate it.
Most review sites give everything Marvel studios a free pass though to be honest.
I mean if WB/DC pulled an IM3 type stunt, the critics would never stop bashing it.
That being said IM2 and IM3 tended to be films that you either didn't like or you liked them. Whilst MOS was a film you either hated it or loved it.
So whilst MOS gets more hate, it also gets more love.
I personally loved it but admit the dialogue was a bit cheesy and needed work. It also needed a bit of pacing or separation in the middle of the non-stop action at the end.
But honestly correcting those problems for me would have taken it from being an Awesome movie to a truly Great movie.
Not really. Marvel movies are critiqued at the same standard as all films, hence Thor 2 getting all those average reviews.
IM3 has been pervasively bashed for pulling that switcheroo stunt. It's been a year and internet people are STILL bashing IM3 for "not staying faithful". Sure, the switch was weird and killed dramatic momentum, but the movie was still very well-made. That's the reason a majority of moviegoers look back on IM3 positively, because RDJ's awesomeness, well-written dialogue, cool action scenes and great character chemistry made up for the weak villain/plot.
I've already said everything I need to about MoS...
I wouldn't say the same standards, none of their films have been below the 60's though that could be for a few reasons.
I would be able to see the good in IM3 if it didn't fall apart during the middle. Also the Tony dealing with internal struggles had been done twice before so seeing it again felt kind of repetitive. Then there was the Pepper pandering scene & the non-funny joke of IM's suit falling apart that just kept going. Yet despite all of that, IM3 has high rating from critics.
As for the Infinity War: wonder if Disney/Marvel is going to have Thanos stomp pretty much everyone.
1000 years BIM (Before Iron Man)
Jotunheim invades Earth. Odin defeats Laufey and captures the Casket of Ancient Winters.
600 years BIM
Odin leaves Tesseract on Earth
67 years BIM
Johann Schmidt invades Norway and steals Tesseract
Steve Rodgers becomes Project Rebirth’s first and only supersoldier
64 years BIM
Steve Rodgers defeats Johann Schmidt and is locked in ice
45 years BIM
Howard Stark works with Anton Vanko on the Arc Reactor
33 years BIM
Stark Industries unveils the first Arc Reactor
5 years BIM
Bruce Banner is bombarded with Gamma Radiation
9 months BIM
Tony Stark is kidnapped by the Ten Rings and builds miniaturized Arc Reactor and Mark I suit
1 day BIM
Iron Monger battles Iron Man on freeway
0 day
“I am Iron Man”
.5 day AIM (After Iron Man)
Nick Fury approaches Stark about Avengers Initiative
3 months AIM
After a botched mission involving a Hammer Industries prototype General Ross is confronted by Iron Man (Iron Man 2: Public Identity)
6 months AIM
Banner Hulks out at bottling plant
Tony is attacked by Whiplash at Monaco
Begin of “Fury’s Big Week”
Day 1
SHIELD monitors Stark, Banner, and Jane Foster
Night 1
Stark and Rhodey battle at Malibu house
Day 2
Thor’s coronation
Rhodey brings Mark II to Edwards AFB
Fury gives Howard Stark lock-box to Tony
Night 2
Tony watches Howard in film reels
Thor and pals invade Jotunheim
Day 3
Tony discovers Howard’s hidden element
Odin saves Thor and pals from Jotunheim and banishes Thor to Earth
Banner gets to Culver University
Coulson travels from Malibu to Roswell
Night 3
Coulson debriefs units at Roswell
SHIELD cleans up Flushing Meadows, NY
Tony builds Mark VI and he and War Machine save at EXPO
Day 4
Banner visits old lab
Coulson discovers Mjolnir and builds crater base-camp
Jane rescues Thor from hospital
Night 4
Banner reunites with Betty
Blonsky becomes super-soldier
Thor raids SHIELD camp
Day 5
Thor battles Destroyer
Bifrost is destroyed on Asgard
Banner Hulks out at Culver U
Fury meets Stark and offers SHIELD consultant job
SHIELD cleans up New Mexico
Night 5
SHIELD collects Destroyer
Day 6
Fury holds massive SHIELD wide meeting to discuss refocusing on extraterrestrial defense
Day 7
Banner and Betty meet with Samuel Sterns
Night 7
Banner airdrops into Harlem to take on Abomination
SHIELD cleans up Harlem and Ross collects Blonsky
End of “Fury’s Big Week”
Before the Avengers
Banner managers to keep from Hulking out traveling to Calcutta
Stark begins construction of Arc Reactor powered Stark Tower
Loki arrives on Earth
Erik Selvig works on Tesseract Project
Captain America is discovered in the Arctic
Sitwell and Coulson call in Stark as a patsy to quell the World Security Counsel’s plans to include Blonsky in the Initiative
Avengers Assemble
If IM3 and Thor 2 were really that good and MOS really that bad then surely they both would have sold more Dvd and Blu-Ray's. But alas MOS sold better than both, hence your theory not quite working out.
Critics(and many movie fans) clearly do give Marvel a free pass, even when they produce bad stuff. As do you.
Now its a status they've earned the right to through many Great movies. So it is what it is. But no point in denying the automatic bias there is now towards Marvel due to its well earned brand name.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Nov 4th, 2014 at 01:05 AM
MoS can suck and still sell well. We can do a very long list of shitty movies that got great sales
Eh, I'd argue that Thor 2 wasn't abysmally bad and Iron Man 3 was watchable. To say they were great or even good is probably exaggeration, comicmovies are rarely great.
imo the only problem with Thor 2 was the human element (jane,darcy and pals). Everything else was pretty good.
If they took away those elements and added more Thor, Asgard, Malakeith backstory etc. It would have been a much better movie.
Yeah but you have to put it in perspective. It sold better than IM3 despite twice as many people watching IM3 in theatres. Superman Returns also did not sell well on DVD, and didn't even draw in much of an audience in theatres. So that's perspective for you.
Besides it's just a more objective measurement than me and Firefly sitting around all day saying IM3 sucked and MOS rocked, NO, MOS sucked and IM3 Rocked.
It was that, plus Malekith wasn't really intimidating/bad ass enough. And the action sequences were nothing special either.
They didn't really put much effort into making that movie come out epic Imo. Not like with Cap2 where the Russo brothers clearly put in every effort to make that an epic sequel.
Hopefully with Thor 3 they're going to go all out.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Nov 5th, 2014 at 11:02 AM
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