Yes, but that's not as all as big as the numerous, numerous "This character is way more powerful than all that came before," powerups GT had.
There's, at the least, no indication* of any significant power up between end-of-Z and BoG, and there's far far less time to BoG than there than there is to GT.
*And I mean none, zero. No fight comparison, no one sensing someone else as vastly more powerful, etc.. It would have to completely be constructed out of whole cloth.
Base GT Goku > General Rildo > Majin Buu. Stated outright. Plain and simple. The only BotG's characters that surpass Buu are Gohan, Vegeta and SSJG Goku, not including Bills and Whiss. GT Goku is similar in strength to Vegetto. His base is as strong as Vegetto's base, etc. There is no one in all DBZ who was ever as strong as SSJ Vegetto, other than Bills and Whiss. Imagine if that Vegetto could also go SSJ's 2-4 as well. That is what GT Goku is like.
SSJ3 GT Goku couldn't touch Super Baby 2 Vegeta. SSJ4 Goku fought on par with Golden Great ape Baby Vegeta, someone at LEAST 500 times stronger than Super Baby 2 Vegeta. This makes SSJ4 the largest SSJ multiplier EVER, being a 500X boost to SSJ3. SSJG is only a 50X boost to SSJ3, iirc. That's not even taking the fusion of two powers like that into consideration.
Again, this is fact, "SSJ2 GT Goku would solo the DBZ-verse". He is roughly 3 times more powerful than Whiss, the strongest DBZ character so far. SSJ3 would be ridiculous overkill, let alone SSJ4, let alone SSJ4 Goku AND Vegeta, let alone a FUSION of two SSJ4's.
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@Q99 Those are still different beings tho. Anime Cell =/= Anime Manga Cell. Your whole argument is subjective af. This is your argument SSJ4 Gogeta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Goku; Whis >>>>> SSJ3 Goku. There's no way to know how much stronger Whis is than Goku and there's no way to know how much stronger Gogeta is than Goku. That's why you have to go by feats/powerscaling which in this case Whis wins due to far superior speed although Gogeta might be able to win the Syn's guidebook galaxy statement but as I've already said, I'm 99% sure the show directly contradicts that.
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Highest physical strength feat in all Dragonball is in GT, by SSJ4 Goku. So, by feats, no.
And we do know even not-at-full Rildo is stronger than Buu.
Wrong in both cases, there's evidence on both factors.
Whis is not so much stronger that he cannot be hurt by an enraged SSJ2. On the flip side, SSJ3 Goku Z Goku is a chump to SSJ3 GT Goku is a chump to Babi Vegeta 2 is a chump to SSJ4 Goku is a chump to Omega Shenron is a chump to SSJ4 Gogeta.
Even in the most generous readings of Whis, that's not close.
... loses hard due to, y'know, the massive number of power jumps shown (not just mentioned, but flat-out shown) in between SSJ3 DBZ Goku and SSJ4 Gogeta.
It's extremely unlikely Whis can hurt Gogeta regardless of speed.
And GT does still have the physical strength feat edge.
Simply put, you- all of the Whis supporters- are relying on one factor to give Whis the edge. There's way more supporting Gogeta being superior.
They're both ss busters, Whis is faster, and the best physical feat isn't in gt, gt is whack af with feats. The best physical strength feat is Gohan pulverizing the Cell JRs. Going by how vs battles have been going by for ages, Whis wins. Not full power Beerus being hurt by a SSJ2 (who is at SSJ3+ tier) is a low showing. It's like Goku struggling to lift a building in GT.
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Last edited by banana3 on Jan 8th, 2015 at 06:37 AM
What? Whiss is 50% stronger than Bills, who is 30% stronger than Goku. That makes Whiss 80% stronger than Goku, which is less than twice as strong as him.
SSJ4 is a 500X boost to SSJ3. SSJG is a 50X boost to SSJ3. Not to mention SSJ3 DBZ Goku ~ Buu, while Base GT Goku > Rildo > Buu. That makes Base GT Goku > Rildo > SSJ3 DBZ Goku ~ Buu. That makes GT base Goku around the same strength as base Vegetto in DBZ. So GT base Goku ~ DBZ base Vegetto. SSJ1 GT Goku ~ SSJ1 DBZ Vegetto. This means that SSJ3 GT Goku ~ A what-if SSJ3 DBZ Vegetto. Now, imagine taking that what-if SSJ3 DBZ Vegetto, and multiplying him by 500. That is around SSJ4 Goku's level. SSJ4 GT Goku ~ what-if SSJ3 DBZ Vegetto with Kaioken X500 = what-if SSJ4 DBZ Vegetto.
Now you square that, as in multiply it by itself, and get SSJ4 GT Gogeta.
The point here is that Whiss was stronger than SSJ Vegetto, but surpassed by what-if SSJ2 Vegetto, and surpassed by GT SSJ2 Goku. Let alone SSJ3. Let alone SSJ4. Let alone Gogeta. Let alone SSJ2 Gogeta. Let alone SSJ3 Gogeta. Let alone SSJ4 Gogeta. Whiss would lose to base Baby Vegeta.
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The point is that we have no idea how much Whis is higher than SSJ Vegetto. It could 10 million times for all we know. That's why we need to use feats. And not only are your gt gaps way off (500x SSJ3 Vegetto = SSJ4 Goku? Tf kind of of circle jerk is this?) but you also said SSJ2 Vegetto can beat Whis. And you think SSJ god is 50x SSJ3
Actually, we do. Not to mention, the gauge I used was a low-ball. I put Base Vegetto at the same level as SSJ3 Goku, when Vegetto was made out to be stronger by far.
Anyway, SSJG is a 50X boost to SSJ3, and SSJ1 is a 50X boost to base. This would make SSJG Goku and SSJ1 Vegetto around the same strength(but remember this is a low-ball, so Vegetto is actually stronger), so SSJ1 Vegetto is about 30% weaker than Bills, and 80% weaker than Whiss, going by Toriyama's statement.
Yes, 500x SSJ3 Vegetto = SSJ4 Goku. Golden Great ape is a SSJ1 version of Great ape, as was stated. This means 10X boost, and then 50X boost. So altogether, 500X boost. Baby went into this form from Super baby 2, proving that it is not a transformation like Super Saiyan, but Super baby 2 is a form that acts as a base.
SSJ3 Goku was getting stomped by Super baby 2 Vegeta. After getting wrecked by SSJ4 Goku, Super baby 2 Vegeta went SSJ Great Ape, making him 500X stronger than Super baby 2. SSJ4 Goku still fought on par with, and even managed to get the upper hand on, Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta. This makes SSJ4 AT LEAST a 500X boost to SSJ3, and that is scraping at the BARE MINIMUM.
Nope, basing off of it. Why though, the statement came from someone in the right state of mind, who had fought Buu before, so what is your point here?
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