None of that makes Bane more skilled that Savage, who has he beaten without or balisks or a nexus other than Featless Sirak that surpasses Plo Koon or Ventress?
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Bane has never beaten anyone by virtue of his skill with a lightsaber apart from Sirak and even then he was amped. His sole victories are a result of orbalisks or relying on a nexus, stop evading the point. Who has Bane beaten that surpasses Plo koon or Ventress?
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Lol knowledge of forms doesnt make Bane a "skilled" duelist, it means he has technical knowledge of those forms. If he hasnt incorporated them in combat and won, who cares. By your logic Cin Drallig and Kas'im >>> other duelists like Kun or Dooku because they know more forms.
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
No, not obviously. He gets by with pure power and strength coupled with whatever he learned as a Nightbrother, but it's pretty obvious that his actual training in using a lightsaber is extremely minimal. He's only been using one for a few months. He had a tiny bit of training from Dooku and probably some from Maul but it's barely a drop in the bucket.
Bane had only a few months of training and only beat Sirak, decades later in DOE there is scant evidence that he ever increased in skill. Bane gets by using nexuses and his nexus amped force abilities, so its pretty obvious the importance of his training is minimal
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
The same could be said about Bane in PoD, really. He's trained under Maul and Dooku and was at least somewhat proficient in the use of polearms beforehand. Were he not adequately skilled, no, brute strength would not save him from the intricate bladework of someone like Ventress.
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Bane has an insane learning rate and a genius IQ though, and he spent all his time training, increasing his knowledge and power etc. Dooku obviously couldn't devote too much time to training Savage and didn't appear to anyway and we only saw Maul beat Savage up once as training to my knowledge.
I'm not saying Savage isn't adequately skilled, I was the one who brought up his Nightbrother training afterall, just that he has extremely minimal training in using a lightsaber and obviously lacks a decent grasp of the forms. He competed with Ventress with pure brute force, as is pretty clear from watching the fight imo.
You need to be a truly masterful fighter who is in perfect attunement with his weapon in order to use a Saberstaff, otherwise you're at risk of cutting yourself in half with the slightest error. Savage went from being stomped by Dooku to competing evenly with Plo Koon, Asajj Ventress and at times, Kenobi, after Maul trained him. Even if we don't know what Form he used or if he used one at all, he's pretty obviously more than just raw strength. I lose brain cells every time someone says that.
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And let's not forget that he defeated Adi Gallia as well. While she's not the most revered lightsaber mastery, she was noted amongst the rest of the council to have a very unorthodox fighting style.
I conceded that he was more, just not much more. Anyone with a few brain cells could look at Savage's fights and see that there's not a lot of skill in them. I'm seriously watching them all right now and he mostly just wildly swings.
Also Savage fought Ventress and Obi-Wan before his training with Maul. And he beat Adi Gallia by force pushing her into a wall and skewering her with his horns. Not with his lightsaber skill.
Gallia and Savage seem pretty closely matched in skill actually, which is more a feat for Gallia admittedly. Although she was stomping MagnaGuards during the Republic comic series, which may be retconned due to the fact Grievous now isn't the one who killed her, but it shows that she's still capable of doing so.
Nov 15th, 2014 12:29 AM
And let's not forget that he defeated Adi Gallia as well. While she's not the most revered lightsaber mastery, she was noted amongst the rest of the council to have a very unorthodox fighting style.
