I really, really don't see the point of arguing any of this in the first place. The only way you bringing that up in your argument makes any sense were if you believed Satele wasn't worthy of those accolades, which is clearly untrue.
So you're calling yourself a troll now. And I swear, for someone who was so upset about condescension, you're pretty snobbish, guy.
Satele has no dueling feats to compare to Dooku. She's beaten Mekhis who is featless, and you're bringing up a different point dufus. That quote Bantha brought up had nothing to do with being "the best of the order", it had to do with a subjective appraisal of her fighting style not skill. Learn to comprehend text.
This coming from the guy who conceded to me and ran out of the debate when you were losing. You have no right to criticize Newguy or anyone.
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I never disputed Satele as being "the best of her era", you're confused between quotes like a tool. For one she has better dueling feat than Saesee, so you're drawing on a false comparison.
Do I need to link to the thread where you were crying like a girl when Freshest was just pointing out that you were hyping Jaden's feats?
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I brought it up to show she has a similar accolade...
How is not giving a crap about what people - who are so obviously only trying to goad me by saying Jaden sucks - are going to say, make me a troll? How am I snobbish for that? at the very least I don't pretend to be a Judge of all SW characters lists and such and if i **** up I can recognize and apologize for it(Insert what do you want a trophy joke here)
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But I never mentioned her, or implied any sort of comparison between them at all. It was just random, and I have no clue what you were trying to achieve.
Except I said no such thing. To make a point about why I was responding, I said were the situation reversed, you too would try to refute what you see to be an inaccuracy concerning a character like Jaden. You replied by saying you would not take the opinions of trolls into consideration.
So apparently what you're saying to me is that I shouldn't take your opinion into consideration, because... you're a troll?
No, don't twist my words kid. Here's what i really said:
If people can make a valid argument against Jaden, I'll acknowledge it, but if they are so obviously just trying to goad me, I will ignore and move on. When i point out Saesee Tiin's lack of ability(for a lack of a better term) i don't do so with the intent of goading and/or trolling, I do it to show Carthage that he has contradicted himself on several occasions. in other words, i call him on his Bullshit. Do not twist my words to make your own argument look better.
What do you hope to accomplish with this? Are you that intent on finding a double-standard for me? I don't even wank Ragnos to make Jaden seem better, nor do i wank the fact that he was Korriban and Vjun. In fact you can ask Ant, Dmb, Sinious, Jack - hell even Tempest! They'll tell you that I share the same view i have for Saesee with Tulak Hord, Cin Drallig and many other characters with just accolades to support them.
I guess you're going to keep repeating the same nonsense in spite of:
A. Losing an argument where I never brought up Tiin's dueling feat, you remember the one you chickened out of.
B. You deliberately tried to pass off Depa's amped performance against Windu as evidence of her skill.
I know you won't respond because you're too busy hyperventilating and raging hard.
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Point is that Dooku's lightning talent is insignificant to overcome Satele Shan.
You are comparing apples and oranges here. Satele Shan demonstrated a feat which was possible with combination of raw power and mastery of esoteric talents, a complex task.
Count Dooku's obalisks lifting feat, whilst impressive, is a pure demonstration of his raw power in use of telekinesis. However, keeping in mind the official declaration that Satele Shan is a prodigiously gifted Force-use, she might be good enough to duplicate or exceed Dooku's greatest telekinetic showings.
A blast door is a tough structure to crack irrespective of size. Jedi typically resort to using a lightsaber to crack open a blast/reinforced door but this is time-consuming effort (CIP: Qui-Gon's attempt to destroy a reinforced door in Episode I).
However, Satele Shan, being a prodigiously gifted Force-user, utterly shattered/dismantled a blast door by simply touch it, effortlessly. This feat also demonstrates her amazing potential with shatterpoint, a talent which she can utilize in other situations.
Asajj Ventress have never downed a (gigantic) tree that weighted like a too tons or more while holding off a Sith heavyweight at bay with a single arm.
Also, Count Dooku may have caught Asajj Ventress off-guard once, therefore the outcome which you proudly referred. However, the former didn't dominate the latter like that in another confrontation. Your over-reliance on that one-time occurrence is futile.
Really? Did you even watch the feat properly? Satele Shan applied an esoteric application which crawled up to the position of three Sith from the ground and then exploded killing all 3 simultaneously.
Your attempts to cheapen feats of Satele Shan are really lame.
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__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Most of the listed feats for Satele aren't feats far beyond the feats of force users whom Dooku has casually dominated with the force. Toppling trees and crushing droids have been duplicated by Kenobi, among other impressive TK showings. Ventress has collapsed huge boulders from a cave and crushed giant warriors like bugs with them, has caused a massive avalanche, and nearly crushed the heart of master Fay. Vos has shattered the ground beneath him with a force push. Yet, when it comes to TK, none of them even approach Dooku, as evident in his casual handling of them.
As far as dueling, in season 6 of TCW, Dooku basically proved that had Anakin not been there, he'd have ended Kenobi in seconds. Hell, Ventress, who is an Obi Wan level duelist herself, couldn't even gain an advantage over a drugged and blind Dooku in a saber duel despite triple teaming him with two other nightsisters, who were regarded as the clan's greatest warriors. Then there's the fact that Dooku has outdueled both Bulq and Tholme simultaneously.
For any attempt to lowball Tiin, the fact that Tiin is regarded as being one of the greatest duelist in an era Lucas refers to as the jedi in it's prime and Luke also referring to the era of jedi as the most powerful, would put Tiin above most by default. Not to mention that he was stated to have one of the most powerful force abilities of his time, and has been implied to have raw power that rivals Windu--a master who could nearly disintegrate a group of battle droids with a mere force push. Also, Tiin's ability to navigate ships in hyperspace with the force alone would suggest immense strength and command of the force (though I think the feat was performed during meditation, but still...). Not to mention his speed feats such as forming a shield from his blade to deflect waves of blaster bolts. It's not that Tiin lacks the hype/accolades/feats to suggest he is pretty high up their and far, far beyond average, it's the fact that Sidious took him out so ridiculously easy that people don't want to accept Tiin's superiority, because just by taking Tiin out alone so easily, would make it far too difficult for the TOR fan's to debunk the notion that Sidious could take out most of the TOR wanked characters just as easily, but that's if someone wanted to enforce Sidious's speed in this forum. Let's face it, if Silver were to come here, and make such a notion, no one would be able to counter him, because the minute someone brings up "well no Sidious can't do that to so and so because they are powerful," Silver would counter it with the fact that Tiin, too, is powerful. Not to mention that this "being powerful" logic you TOR supporters use to counter any notion of Sidious blitzing, is logic that can be used against your count claims. If speed is determined by power, the fact that the council members that Sidious did blitz are all regarded as some of the greatest swordsmen produced by the order, immense speed would be something they would have to have at their disposal. Speed is just as important in a saber duel as technical skill. If one lacks the speed to put his/her technical skill in good use, they wouldn't be referred to as top duelist by jedi standards. So prodigious speed would be a must, which would logically mean that they are force powerhouses.
Regardless, majority of the TOR characters that are wanked on these boards don't even have the feats to put them above the likes of Tiin, Kolar or Fisto. In a hype/accolade contest, most of which are relied on here to elevate TOR characters, these three jedi master council members shit all over most. The strike team assembled to take on Sidious, is one of the best strike teams (perhaps the best) that as ever been assembled to take on a powerful foe.
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