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Beyonder vs LT

Which version can compete with LT better.
1. Classic Beyonder
2. Pre Retcon Beyonder

Nov 16th, 2014 03:54 PM

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What's the difference between the two? I thought they were one and the same.

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Some say Pre Rec was stronger

Nov 16th, 2014 04:08 PM

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Between God & molecule man...

It's a pretty big difference.
Pre retcon & LT are nearly identical in power

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Pre-Retcon destroys him. By classic are you speaking of Post-Retcon Beyonder?

Never heard that classification before.

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Pre-Retcon destroys him. By classic are you speaking of Post-Retcon Beyonder?

Never heard that classification before.

Yea, Post was less powerful I know that.

So is Pre like another manifestation of TOAA? Because I don't get where his power is coming from. To be above LT.

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Yea, Post was less powerful I know that.

So is Pre like another manifestation of TOAA? Because I don't get where his power is coming from. To be above LT.

He's definitely not a manifestation of TOAA. Just an extremely powerful being.

In his universe (the Beyond Realm) he was effectively God, and he found his way into 616 after Owen Reece accidentally opened up a portal.

There's no absolute explanation as to why he is that powerful I guess really. I could show you some scans if you wanted of when he came into contact with the Tribunal.

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He's definitely not a manifestation of TOAA. Just an extremely powerful being.

In his universe (the Beyond Realm) he was effectively God, and he found his way into 616 after Owen Reece accidentally opened up a portal.

There's no absolute explanation as to why he is that powerful I guess really. I could show you some scans if you wanted of when he came into contact with the Tribunal.

Thanks, post the ones you got if you can.

Nov 16th, 2014 05:10 PM

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Thanks, post the ones you got if you can.

I'm at my nans house at the moment so I wont be able to send high quality images over but these should be fine.

Uatu pleads with Beyonder stating that he has tried to get the mighty to speak with him.

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Then this is what happened afterwards.

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We find out that Beyonder is stronger than everyone in that room put together.

As we see it's plainly obvious to everyone in that room that Death is about to be killed. But they are powerless to stop the Beyonder.

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Who is that dude offering the cup to death?

Nov 16th, 2014 05:27 PM

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Who is that dude offering the cup to death?

As far as I know he was just called Dave.

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Thanks for the scans. Beyonder is badass. I would be interested to see the high qualty scans, to see some more when you have time.

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Thanks for the scans. Beyonder is badass. I would be interested to see the high qualty scans, to see some more when you have time.

Yeah when I get home I'll have a look on my external HDD and send you some images.

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Yeah when I get home I'll have a look on my external HDD and send you some images.

It would have been cool to just see him erase some of those eternals like they were ants.

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So is Pre like another manifestation of TOAA?

Because I don't get where his power is coming from. To be above LT.

Classic and Pre-retcon Beyonder, are the same thing.

"Post" retcon Beyonder is the differnece.

Anyway, the Beyonder was created by Jim Shooter, who not only wrote SWI & II,
but was also the Editor in Chief of Marvel. This means, he was truly TOAA!
There were rumors that ol' Jimmy simply symbolized his own 'god complex' in Marvel on panel via the Beyonder lol.
It was no secret that many writers/artists and staff were displeased with Shooter's exaggerations,
like going as far as to say that Beyonder was "like God before Genesis." ouch,
or seemingly portraying Stan Lee bowing to the Beyonder on panel, etc.

Yet there is no doubt, classic Beyonder was/is the most powerful entitity ever in Mavrel.

'millionS of times more powerful than the rest of Marvel combined.' (LT included)

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LT has been killed, LT is by no means top tier in marvel.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mr Master
Classic and Pre-retcon Beyonder, are the same thing.

"Post" retcon Beyonder is the differnece.

Anyway, the Beyonder was created by Jim Shooter, who not only wrote SWI & II,
but was also the Editor in Chief of Marvel. This means, he was truly TOAA!
There were rumors that ol' Jimmy simply symbolized his own 'god complex' in Marvel on panel via the Beyonder lol.
It was no secret that many writers/artists and staff were displeased with Shooter's exaggerations,
like going as far as to say that Beyonder was "like God before Genesis." ouch,
or seemingly portraying Stan Lee bowing to the Beyonder on panel, etc.

Yet there is no doubt, classic Beyonder was/is the most powerful entitity ever in Mavrel.

'millionS of times more powerful than the rest of Marvel combined.' (LT included)

This makes a lot of sense, because he was the actually the TOAA of his "Beyond Universe" and his feats clearly equal and rival TOAA of 616.

The part that makes me see him right below TOAA in 616 is that he had to give up some of his power to kill death. TOAA would be un effected by this. And the fact that Doom stole his powers once.

Nov 16th, 2014 10:09 PM

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LT has been killed, LT is by no means top tier in marvel.

We don't even know who/what killed him yet. So making assumptions on his power isn't a valid notion to entertain.

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We don't even know who/what killed him yet. So making assumptions on his power isn't a valid notion to entertain.

Wasn't it Thanos with HOTU?

Nov 16th, 2014 10:16 PM