Go ahead and ask the mods if this is valid here. I don't think so, what class is odin strength wise? 75? And Zeus, IIRC 90. Yeah, great source. And the online one is even worse, as the writer himself isn't even sure if it is canon or not, the Brother thing:
"In--of all places--The Adventures of the X-Men#12, the hierarchy of the Brothers (as higher than the Living Tribunal) is disputed. This is a somewhat interesting series, as I had initially just assumed it to be adaptations of the X-Men cartoon. I watched the first season or two, but didn't continue to follow it, so I can't confirm or deny this as being the case. However/Anyway, in this issue, the demons D'Spayre and the Dweller-in-Darkness instigate the destruction of the M'Kraan Crystal, which in turn destroys all reality. Phoenix harnesses all of the positive emotions of everyone in the universe and uses this energy to have the sentience of the universe join with Galan of Taa and allow him to survive the destruction of the universe, and to ultimately become Galactus in that Universe. So, the implication is that the events of that series (and possibly of the cartoon) took place in the universe before the current one.
At any rate, the relevance is here: During this conflict, the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers in the palm of his hand, as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre). As the old universe is destroyed, the Tribunal releases the Brothers to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."
So, while the Adventures of the X-Men is not quite official canon, the book was written by Ralph Macchio, with the assistance of Mike Carlin, indicating that both Marvel and DC were involved in this explanation. The Brothers are thus intermediary in power and authority between the Living Tribunal and Eternity (or their comparable counterparts in the DC Megaverse). However, each Brother tends has some authority and control over universes outside the standard Multiverse, but within the Megaverse, while the Living Tribunal has not been shown to have authority over worlds outside the Multiverse.
--Snood."
Lol, at such sources as FACTs. I provided the only fact that matters, the cover and the lack of DCs branding, making it an Marvel only book not a crossover and this still stands:
You would have to accept both, that DC is just a Megaverse in the Marvel Omniverse and that the Brothers are the same or none, you can't have both, else it is a retarded doublestandard.
You have to learn that your view of the cosmic hierarchy is just your opinion.
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^^ Actually I posted On Panel evidence and simply corroborated it with Official Marvel bios.
You're obviously just trying to get in the last word, and that's fine, but the fact is:
... you've presented? .... nada.
Bottomline, both the DC Brother and Marvel Brother appeared in Adventures of the X-Men.
Only pure idiocy would think that Marvel ripped off a carbon copy of the originals
with identical histories/purpose going as far as naming them exactly the same.
It is pure idiocy to think they are the same, when they are just a Marvel creation in an Marvel only book without DCs branding. And no, they are not the originals, just copies, rip offs, and DC is not a Megaverse in Marvels Omniverse, and Hyperion and Gladiator are not Superman. All those wishful thinking of Marvel having the right to make those decision is everything but it's not the fact.
So you have what you had in the beginning, you delusional opinion, which means nothing.
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So, still lost I'm noticing.
I never claimed/stated DC was anything inside Marvel's omniverse.
Marvel didn't apply the story Adventures of the X-Men #12 on its own,
again!
Mike Carlin (Executive Editor of DC at the time) helped write Adventures of the X-Men with Macchio. (Marvel Editor)
Ok, a last attemp to show you the idiocy of your opinion.
Marvel does not have the rights to recton the original brothers without dc, the writer you praisw so much couldn't even use the Spectre, he couldn't use his appearance nor his name, he wrote spectral hooded friend because he was aware that he has no phucking right to use dc chars un an marvel book. And so we know that those brothers are just rip offs and no original.
Your stance can't have both, DC is a Megaverse in Marvel and those are the real brothers and Spectre appeared indirectly in a Marvel book withou DC approving it or all this is just a copy and not what you try to force it to be.
I feel like talking to a child.
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I agree, for the dreams of youth are the regrets of maturity.
So, have fun in your discussions with youths.
You should email Mike Carlin, (who was Executive Editor) in DC at the time.
Anyway, they did draw both BrotherS, and we all know one of those Brothers was DC.
The "hooded spectral" ally is an obvious reference to DC's Spectre connecting the DC Brother to the story.
You should also understand one thing:
From the beginning I stated this was the initial idea upon publishing back in 1997.
I think you're confusing yourself cause you think I'm giving this relevance now in the Present.
I can't say for sure when this concept went out the window,
but it was defnitely official
as soon as Marvel explicitely stated it had it's own Omniverse in 2007.
operator616 was correct, Wanda's feat may have been far more than I originally thought.
No you didn't comprehend
The brothers themselves was created as a plot to combine both dc and marvel and when they tried the amalgram comics they was shitty and they stopped.
Well I have the complete collection of original Marvel bio`s.Going by that Odin is not a galaxy buster,and can`t even move a world unaided.Does that sound right to you!And L.T was scared to death of pre-retcon Beyonder.His power is kind of a mystery now,But he is at least still close to L.T in power.And when the new secret wars comes back,you can bet he will be at his pre-retcon levels again!
I have lost a lot of respect for L.t since they found him dead on the moon,even thought it is one of his many m-bodies.I was dissapointed,thought he was more powerful,did anyone find out who killed him yet?
Yeah, those "brothers" were just homages of the brothers in DC vs Marvel. No amount of twisting would change the fact. Because the alternative that DC "as one brother was the totality of DC multiverse" is a part of marvel multiverse.
And DC vs Marvel is rendered non-canon by JLA/Avengers. So a non-canon story "Adventures of X-men" paying homage to a non canon story "DC vs Marvel" is being used as a proof?
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^^ Right, what would the actual writers/artists of the story Ron Marz ... Dan Jurgens ... Claudio Castellini
and Jeff Christiansen, Marvel's most knowledgeable (concerning comcis) individual know about it next to you?
"gears grinding?" ... How about melt down.
Awesome. Good thing we're (well I'm) not using bios for power level gauging in this discussion,
and instead the bios were introduced in this debate to elaborate on historical story facts, not power scales.
"Fact?" ... huh?
Ok, just post the on panel and/or handbook and/or interview where this fallacy is claimed.
But since I know you have neither, I'll just let you love yourself.
Interesting.
When JLA/Avengers has absolutely nothing to do with DC vs Marvel in any sense of the word.
DC vs Marvel's, (97') original understanding was retconned
about 3 months after being published in Adventures of the X-Men. (97')
The only thing that changed according to:
Jeff Christiansen (who works for Marvel Comics & is Marvel's Head Handbook Writer)
and Ron Marz ... Dan Jurgens ... Claudio Castellini (Writers/Artists of the actual DC vs Marvel books)
Is that the LT and Spectre were above the DC and Marvel BrotherS in the retcon story.
Mike Carlin (Execuitve Editor of DC at the time) helped write the story.
Yeah, facts. Next you will ask me to prove Gladiator/Hyperion are Superman homages, right? Get real. Or I can prove Marvel Comics is a part of DCU by posting John Byrne making mxy go to fantastic four as Impossible Man too.
It has everything to do with it. It was a joint collaboration from both DC and Marvel and its official. You can chose to believe or not, I don't give a damn.
A DC/Marvel collaborative work can't be retconned by a thinly veiled homage. Get this in your thick skull.
Prove that Spectre appeared in that story by an official DC comic scan or bio. Not by your make-believe theories.
And Ron Marz had Access come to Kyle in DCU in Jun 1997.
Looks like it got re-retconned. Or it wasn't retconned to begin with.
Means jackshit. Spectre can't appear in a marvel comic book.
So? I can post bios that tell that Shuma Gorath from marvel vs capcom is canon to 616. Even if I believe its canon, LT dealt with some homages. Big deal.
Just post a scan which says Spectre appeared in that comic. Otherwise John Byrne wrote this story where Mxy appeared in marvel universe and thus marvel universe is just a part of DCU.
It has no meaning if the CEO od DC phucked the X-Men Artist in the butt and told him what to do. It is not and official DC book, just a Marvel one. The DC Verse can't appear in this comic, nor can the Spectre, and Marvel/thewriters/artists never dared to do it because they simply can't.
Really easy.
DC Verse = DC Brother + Spectre (= part of Marvel) never appeared in the x-men book, because Marvel has no right to have them there.
Megaverse = Megaverse Brother + spectral hooded Friend (appeared only by name) are not from the DC Verse and you will never find them there because they are just a part, rip off homage, and belong to Marvel.
Even a child should be able to see this.
Stop spilling your opinion/lies as truth. Someone might be dumb enough to believe it.
I would also like to see the real Spectre appeare in the Adventures of X-Men, a non DC book.
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WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! e.e da fuq man I hardly understand you.....i can read Mr.Master post clearly your post lacks informational subjects of the discussion at hand......post some scans!
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... Let me know when you have a single shred of evidence to support yur fallacies.
