Don't know, but you're assuming it's a special technique rather than just a punch.
Based on what? The burden of proof is on you.
You're also assuming that a punch utilizing just the arm, with no hip movement involved like a normal punch, is going to be stronger than a proper punch. And that's just funny.
Got any proof though?
Actually, he wasn't wearing his gloves when he punched the building.
Obviously this means the way he punched Mac is completely differently.
It doesn't matter whether or not it's true. It's a logical fallacy because you're resorting to attacking my alleged motives as opposed to debating the point. Attack the argument, not the debater, dumbass.
Also:
Premise: NemeBro is bringing up less impressive feats.
Conclusion: NemeBro is biased for Tekken.
The premise doesn't support the conclusion at all.
It is if I say it is boy.
It does. If a character is given an amp we know they never got, then the feat is useless for debating purposes.
Similarly, using Kazuya as an example, his defeat of Jin and Heihachi is not valid evidence because we know for a fact that Kazuya didn't beat them in T4 (feats against inanimate objects and shit exist in a murky grey area).
Paul? The endings don't contradict anything.
Tell me: why do you think the devs would show us him shattering boulders if he couldn't accomplish it?
Sure there is. I've proven that any of these characters can destroy more in a single punch than Mr. Sandman did.
Are you referring to Lars and Alisa?
They do have feats. They managed to put up a good fight against Heihachi.
Oh, and Alisa can fly, dodge missile, and be hit in the face by a helicopter with no injury.
Lars? Lol.
Easily put down gun-wielding opponents, cratered the solid floor of the Mishima Zaibatsu, and took a grenade to the face without injury.
Tell me more about how Mr. Sandman and Little Mac compare to characters who easily take on gun-wielding opponents and withstand explosions that would kill any Little Mac character.
Why do you think the concussive force of an explosion is different from that of a punch, by the way?
Still can't prove it doesn't count binky boy.
Buildings have four walls.
There's clearly a big broken wall in the background. Put on your glasses.
Don't know, don't care. Ask the artists.
There's still dust in the air, but glad you conceded that he did, in fact, move in the third frame.
I can support the claim that he did, in fact, move while punching the building by pointing out you have nothing but your assumption that he stood still (because you really are trying to not lose this argument. A futile effort as I've already won). I can do this by pointing out the relatively minor damage done to the wall with his first punch, and even point out that in the second frame he would have to move to continue punching the building. Otherwise he would only hit air.
Sorry bro. Feat took an extended effort. He lacks the raw explosive one-punch power of a Tekken character.
First of all: style over substance fallacy.
Second of all, that's not what a concession is. I've addressed your every word in meticulous detail. While you have to shorten my posts to reply and straw man them because you're a coward.
No, I certainly can you dumb mother****er.
He's inside the remains of the building. On the horizontal plane he is surrounded by the debris. But on the vertical plane the sky is open to him, meaning from that point of view he is outside.
If you step inside a ring of trees, are you no longer outside?
No.
We can clearly see the remains of the building behind him, as well as in front of him.
This entire debate has been concession after concession on your part.
Truly I am invincible. The world's greatest.
Wei, I think our friend may need prescription glasses. Do you see the building wreakage behind Mr. Sandman?
It's clearly pointed out. There is a broken wall behind him.
But even ignoring all of the dumb arguments about none of Heihachi's feats counting because he wasn't boxing. Is there even any proof that Mr. Sandman hit Mac?
No, you are conceding, just in a cowardly way. I told you to shorten your posts and you're doing it anyway, clearly as a way to annoy me while at the same time, repeating all of this irrelevant mess. It's just a fancy of showing that you don't have any real argument. You just spout nonsense like always.
Also, Lars didn't take any grenades to the face.
You can't even clearly see what's behind him.
I said nothing about Heihachi "not boxing". I said fighting...and it's not a dumb argument at all, otherwise, Heihachi wouldn't have lost to anybody he fought.
If you want to assume Little Mac fought Mr. Sandman without getting hit even once, that kind of works against Heihachi, as he has no speed feats to show he would do any better.
And still gets beat by guys who aren't bullet speed or has attacks comparable to "building size explosions" (canon).
If using other characters' feats is that important, then I would also like to point out that Piston Hondo outran a bullet train.
Me being a douche does not detract from my argument.
I don't care what you told me. You're not my boss.
I accept your concession.
Oh sorry, you're right. It was a rocket launcher.
You can see a crumbling wall.
You're continuing to use circular reasoning.
"Lars and friends can't have punches rivaling explosions that are faster than bullets, because they don't have punches rivaling explosions that are faster than bullets."
Sorry bro, but the feats of their punches, their ability to harm Heihachi, and the speed to block and dodge bullets prove how flimsy your argument is.
If he can dodge a bullet, he can dodge Little Mac.
That explosion was closer to the size of a city block.
Also, they're all bullet speed. Just like Heihachi. ****ing Bob the Blob is a bullet-timer.
That's pretty good. He'd have to be running 200+ mph, assuming max speed.
You can't really run in a boxing ring though, can you?
Oh, and it's still much slower than a bullet.
Oh yeah, and Alisa can outfly attack helicopters, which can be about as fast as a bullet train, and are only a little slower if not.
Unless you're trying to cowardly change the argument (like what you're doing.
I never conceded.
He didn't do that either.
No you can't.
You know, it's funny how you're saying it "proves" my argument is flimsy and yet, this hardly had anything to do with my argument and doesn't disprove the point I'm making.
Just like he can dodge Jin, Kazuya, and Lars...
Dodging a bullet and being as fast as a bullet are two different things.
You do realize I was making a point about using other characters' feats, right? Why do you think I never brought that part up until now?
So yeah, nice try but I already knew about that fact and that's why I never brought it up.
I'd say feats that prove Tekken characters are stronger and faster than you say, as well as my pointing out of your circular reasoning do quite a bit to prove how flimsy your argument is.
If they can hit Heihachi, they're about as fast as bullets.
True, but Tekken characters like Lars and Kazuya have dodged machine-gun fire and taken out the ones firing. Bob of course dodged a bullet after it was fired. Heihachi as you know caught a bullet in his mouth, and scoffed at the idea that one of those "pea shooters" could hurt him.
But you've been doing that with Mr. Sandman.
All the feats I brought up were relevant though. Heihachi has fought people in wide open spaces, not just a boxing ring, and most of the feats deal with reaction-time, punching power, or durability.
Because it's totally different from the subject and you're putting more focus on it than you should.
Yes it does.
Whatever that explosion was, he likely just avoided it.
You don't even know what's really behind him so no, you didn't point out any wall.
Still no circular reasoning.
It's about as much as you said.
Bob also used the papers to turn the bullet and even after that, he was dodging the aim of the guns.
And Heihachi thrusting himself forward doesn't suddenly mean he's as fast as a bullet. Let's not ignore the fact that he had to position himself first in order to catch the bullet.
To show the kind of opponent Little Mac has faced. You bringing up super strength and punching power for Heihachi (and other Tekken characters), I'm just merely bringing up that Little Mac has fought somebody like that.
So you're saying that he escaped the blast radius of the missile that was right next to him, then went back to where it exploded before anyone could notice? That would make him able to run faster than the speed of sound.
You're in direct violation of Occam's Razor. We see the primed missile next to Lars. We see it explode. We next see Lars getting up from the wreckage uninjured.
He tanked it, and your girlish attempts at denying it fool no one.
I do know what's behind him. A wall is.
"no u" is not an argument.
"no u" is not an argument.
Hold on: you think that Bob the Blob deflected a bullet after it was fired... with a newspaper?
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Now let's just ignore that that's ****ing stupid for a moment here... how, exactly, does that make the feat less impressive? He still would have had to done it after the bullet was fired, but now he also has the ability to deflect bullets... with a piece of paper. Well good job shooting yourself in the foot.
But no, you're wrong. Watch the video again. He closed the newspaper, put it down, jumped to the side, and immediately after that his seat is shot. Look at the sparks. They were right where Bob was sitting.
As for your unproven assumption that he aim-dodged after: it doesn't matter.
He's proven he can dodge bullets. Of course he would be faster than a thug's aim.
So he can position himself and thrust himself forward before a bullet can reach him?
Wow, he's even faster than I thought...
Heihachi has better feats and has fought people with better feats than them.
I want you to struggle articulating why it's wrong.
I didn't say anything about him "escaping it" and running back. I said he avoided it. If you noticed right before the explosion, Lars was trying to keep the soldier from aiming the gun at him. If he could tank the explosion, he wouldn't have had to do that.
Still no proof.
Never said any of that.
Actually, there is a spark on the newspaper too. Look at the first bullet right when it hits. It's right there on the newspaper.
But no need in trying to turn it into something more impressive than it is because he did already have the newspaper up (meaning he didn't have to move much anyway) and the bullet itself just BARELY missed him. Let's not forget he was still sitting down too.
...Dude, pay attention, he positioned himself before the bullet was shot. It shouldn't be hard to see.
Most of those feats don't count.
It's not a struggle because it's easy to see why you're wrong.
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Dec 19th, 2014 04:02 AM
Gimme a break! The only thing relevant was the punching power and that's pretty much it.
Thanks Scribble!
