I think it's going to be pretty useless, but still.
That's not a universe. We are seeing Din creating a mere planet, Farore creating life, and Nayru suppossedly creating its laws. And seeing how a single planet is that important, the claim of universe creation is pretty dubious.
I'm inclined to believe that a model of LoZ's cosmology would be pretty different from our own. Even when I'm not seeing support of universe creation, I think we could roll with it for the purposes of the debate.
Nayru creating a universe alone is still bullshit, though. Still waiting for the Triforce's wish strength quote.
Anyway, why did LoZ get mentioned, when the OP specifies anime?
Last edited by trexalfa on Apr 5th, 2015 at 03:46 PM
There was no sky and cosmos before Nayru passes, and afterward there was. If you cant accept even what you see, I guess we cant go any further. Also at this time she had created the cosmos for the alternate dimension of Termina.
I dont understand why you keep using words like "supposedly". The cutscene explains that is what she did, and you see it happen. Why the doubt?
The narration states Nayru created the laws of physics. That's not synonimous with creating the universe itself. Plus, do you know that our nice blue, cloudy sky is the result of our atmosphere and the sun? You could say Nayru made the sun at best, but I'm not seeing her creating the universe and it doesn't make sense in the context of the narration. Making the atmosphere, the sun and physical constants makes sense. And I said we could roll with it, seeing as Eru Illuvatar from LoTR is a similar case and he is usually given this treatment. Are the Goddesses mentioned in Termina's legends?
That gets you universal Golden Goddesses at their very best, who would get ****stomped by the Beyonders.
I can see how you might think that, but if you watch the beginning of the creation cutscene it states that there was naught but chaos in the beginning. Ergo, everything was created by the goddesses, including the alternate dimensions.
You guys still havent disproven omnipotence, so save those 'sh*tstomps' for when you guys actually put some evidence up. K? Thx.
Also, Beyonder isnt omnipotent, so its moot.
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It's impossible to prove a negative. I do not have to disprove their omnipotence, you have to prove their omnipotence in the first place. You've got nothing but claims, and omnipotence cannot be proven with feats anyway. So you cannot prove anything with compelling, actually plausible evidence.
The Living Tribunal shits on the Golden Goddesses in terms of feats. The Beyonders killed him. The Goddesses are not getting past the first member of the team. And I'm talking about the Beyonders, the species, introduced in the new Secret Wars.
Last edited by trexalfa on Apr 5th, 2015 at 05:22 PM
It started when 5Link started saying they could do it cause omnipotence, despite not being from anime in the first place. The ball started rolling a page or two ago.
You are correct right here, 100%. I agree totally. However, in light of this, Beyonder also has no way to prove omnipotence. Actually, its not even plausible, since hes proven not omniscient.
It is plausible for the True Force, however, thanks to omnipotence and omniscience. Feel free to find proof otherwise, if you can.
So far you have brought the strongest argument to the table, sir. Keep the scans coming. They're delicious.
You know, you're right again. It's not even anime. So.....disqualified?
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Last edited by LLLLLink on Apr 5th, 2015 at 05:38 PM
We are not talking about the Beyonder anyway, the OP has already made clear that now the Beyonders are in play. And they don't need omnipotence to win, they have killed the Living Tribunal. Their feats are heaps above those of the Goddesses. They are not omnipotent (neither is Pre-retcon Beyonder, BeyonderGod is just a massive fanboy of the character), but neither are the Goddesses.
I would hold back on anything about the Beyonders, simply because we don't know enough about them yet. We have seen the Beyonders fight and defeat the Asbstracts and not a issue later they are losing to Thor and Hyperion... So lets wait and see how the event plays out before beginning to use them. Atleast that is my opinion.
Stick to Pre Retcon Beyonder (Imo one of the strongest on the list and for some reason placed at the top)
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