Even if Loki was able to match Ben physically (and I personally think Ben has the physical advantage on Loki), Loki's heart is nothing compared to Bens...
Ben would be like Joe Frazier (get up after every knock down and power through Loki's worse) and Loki would be like Lennox Lewis (badazz when he's winning, but has a glass jaw; if you can hit him flush, its over)...
I can vividly see Thing (with both eyes swollen nearly shut and bleeding) going strong to Loki's body and making him cough up blood right before delivering the knockout punch...
Okay no, Loki is physically stronger then most people would think I agree. But he's not anywhere near the scale of strength The Thing has. Loki only "doesn't go down easy" if Ben is holding back.
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Okay wait exactly how strong do you feel Loki is physically? Spiderman level? Luke Cage level? Higher then that? I only ask because you seem to keep talking about how much heart Ben has, and sure Ben has a lot of heart. But Loki could have all the heart in the world and it wouldn't make much of a difference.
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I'd give him roughly class 90-100 range. He has given Thor trouble in the past, and Thor has walked all over the Abomination. Loki is simply never portrayed as the muscle guy because he has more to rely on than just brute strength.
Loki is also a good deal more agile than Ben, so this IMO would offset any strength advantage if any that Ben would hold over him.Agility in most cases adds to the defense of a character. You can't hurt what you can't hit.
Eh? Class 90? That seems way way way out of Loki's league. When has Thor ever physically struggled against Loki? Thor does things like lift the Midgard Serpent, which was big enough wrap itself around the planet. What has Loki done on that scale? If he got into a physical tussle with Thor one time and didn't immediately die..that doesn't exactly mean he is anywhere near Thor in strength.
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Scans? I can't think of a single example I've seen for him strength or durability wise, and all I've got to go off of are Handbook entries and trading card ratings, that put him at Class 30.
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Why wouldn't it? if he were so much weaker than Thor, Thor would have immediately wrapped him around a pole doing 120 MPH. This didn't happen though. Loki actually held his own for a bit. This isn't something that someone far inferior to another would be able to do. I'm not talking about Loki dancing around and dodging the worst, but actually going head to head with him. Didn't Loki throttle Masterson Thor, and Bill?
Yep, personally I was going to maaaybe give him Class 40-50, but that is about it. Ben Grimm is Class 80 and the guy is strong enough to turn skyscrapers into weapons. There is no way Loki is above someone like that.
Thor didn't immediately wrap him around a pole because it was a comic with bad writing, not because Loki is suddenly a class 90 power house above the likes of Ben Grimm, Colossus, etc.
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Ben is a class 100. Thanos is superior to Thor, but we don't see him picking up the weight of a world. These are characters that rely on more than brute strength, but that does not automatically mean that they are weak. I don't know the context of the throttling that Loki gave Beta Ray Bill, and the Eric Masterson version of Thor, but I googled Thor vs Loki, and saw a scan of Loki beating the mess out of the both of them. In other words he could have been amped. Also this is all about in the comics, which gives us perspective on just how strong these fictional dudes are.
The problem is, Loki, in comics, isn't really portrayed as being strong on that level. It's just bad writing, it doesn't mean he's suddenly a class 90 like Captain Britain. Loki has never been like that, or anywhere close.
Let me put it to you another way: If Thor and Loki decided to get into an arm wrestling contest? Loki would lose horribly.
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