I get that, but how am I doing that according to you? And Drew Karpyshyn already cleared it up how combining their energies leads to an exponential increase.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
You had no support regarding whether the ritual multiplied power or not (I've certainly seen no secondary canon suggesting the ritual magnified their powers. His narration hardly implied it either)
Hence the inference that you were appealing to CoE given his later displays never matched the Force Storm energy again
Yet?
You're more than happy to work off the Rakata Temple not being slagged from Turbolaser bolts despite the fact the omnidirectional release of energy from a full powered bolt on impact (as seen on Taris from earlier tech) should have covered hundreds of kilometers.
I'm fine with disregarding the principle, given it's bunk in fiction, but selectively doing it is just as bad
But I assumed that the Rakata Temple on Lehon was just durable enough to absorb the majority of the Turbolasers bolts. Sort of like how in DBZ we assume that every blast can bust a planet but the character's durability absorbs most of it reducing the blast by many order of magnitudes.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
And given where it hit, it would absorb a good chunk of it upon initial expansion
Still, at least 50% of the energy will always expand away from the temple, given its omnidirectional
The Dragon Ball example only serves to illustrate my point
We already ignore CoE
If you're going to do so, you can't selectively do it
There is no justification, selectively doing it will not paint a consistent picture.
Let me restate, I have no issues using the Turbolaser example. I've said **** it to CoE for a while now. I just do it across the board to be consistent.
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Random Sith? Nox didn't possess random Sith; random Sith do not transform into ghosts after death.
Those spirits "may have" some impressive backstories? They "actually have." The individuals are not as strong as Exar Kun but they are quality individuals nonetheless, and a force to be reckoned with in the form of a Strike Team.
I told you before that a single Force ghost is a powerful manifestation of the Force. A group of them mortally wounded Darth Sidious in a confrontation. Try to comprehend.
Also, an unwilling ghost proves to be the source of greater power then a willing one. You have played SI story 3 times, right?
Welcome.
Fair enough.
I haven't played the Sith Inquisitor story yet so I cannot comment on the quality of the Jedi involved, but single-handedly stomping a Jedi Strike Team is a grand showing of power in Star Wars by character's standards.
And Windu's B-Team is noted for its martial competence, not power. Darth Nox stomped a Jedi Strike Team with his sheer Force abilities.
Darth Nox is virtually immortal; he apparently cannot be killed while he draws on the power of multiple ghosts to fuel his own. Darth Thanaton unleashed a sorcery-oriented vortex of destruction on him and Darth Nox tanked it all.
Can you prove that it was Darth Nox who confronted Revan?
We don't know exactly who confronted Revan on Yavin IV from among the PC.
I will be in a better position to debate in favor of Darth Nox, if I play his story. And I will one day.
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But again, we don't know how powerful the ghosts are exactly and the best clue we'll get is from Nox' usage of the force. From what I see, Nox is a top tier Dark Council member. Nothing more, nothing less. I still think Wrath is his equal or perhaps even superior and HoT is definitely Nox' superior.
There is literally no info on the jedi in the video but like you said, its still impressive.
And Sidious didn't overwhelm them with his power. He approached them in melee combat so its still more impressive than Nox' feat.
Sidious can slowly overwhelm him in the force or simply engage him in close combat and chop his head off. Nox won't be coming back after he gets decapitated.
Hmm this isn't a clear one for me as well. I'm trying to figure out the best way to understand who faced Malgus and Revan these days so I won't make more arguments about this for now.
Or perhaps when you play the game, you'll have a different opinion.
I would remove Plagueis from tier 1 then. I know you have possibly in parenthesis, but Caedus could and would beat Plagueis for a majority.
Apocalypse Krayt was compared to Luke, Reborn Krayt trashed Cade effortlessly. I understand some wouldn't have him as high as I do, but he is at least Dooku/Vader level.
Yeah, I was actually going to add 'with the exception of Dooku' at the end of my last post. Maybe Krayt should be Tier 2.
And yes, I'm not entirely sure where to place Plagueis, but I don't think Caedus stands a chance against Vitiate, Sidious and Nihilus, who are all Tier 1.
Bane isn't more powerful than Wrath or Malak, most of the people on team 2 are more powerful and skilled than he is. Caedus should also be in the same tier as Sidious and Plagueis
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
I just don't see Caedus beating any one the guys in Tier 1, with the possible exception of Plagueis. But yeah, I think I'd rank him somewhere between Tier 1 and Tier 2; a middle ground.
I'll add Malak to Tier 4, as well.