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Originally posted by carver9
I don't think YOU understand the scans. It's one of them fighting a group of Celestials. The first scan shows them taking of 4 Abstracts.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This is now my number one guess.

Outside queer Beyonder anyway.

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Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Dosn't contradicts what I said, one threat at a time, or do you see those 3 fighting all Abstracts+LT+Celestials at the very same time?

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Originally posted by carver9
What I see is them fighting a gang of Abstracts. At one point they fought them individually, then they joined in together and took them out.

As shown here...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/224...30-018.jpg.html

One took out a group of abstracts....ONE. Then we see 3 taking on 4 Abstracts and killing them. Then they mud stomped LT without showing a sign of injury or fatigued. I don't understand the point you are trying to make here but it seems wrong.

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Originally posted by Galan007
It'd actually make sense, as she'd feasibly have the means of accessing/destroying every universe... But I don't know what her motive would be..?

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Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It is just a true point but it's ok if you don't understand it, that at least explains your rather pointless rambling.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Trying not to lose. Maybe she's just trying to make them go away by trying to lower the number of places for them to go.

Or she went mad after being there for a while. Val's always had a bit of a dark side anyway. Just a push in the right direction after a realization and she's full off the deep end. Same thing with Ulti Reed or the alt Reeds really.

I don't know. Though the whole "birth initiated the heat death of a universe" kind of pokes a whole in any known being except the Galactus Seed so meh. Of the known beings I'll go with her.

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Originally posted by Galan007
If it ends up being the Galactus Seed, I will sue Marvel for stealing my material.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The heat death and Galactus' words indicate it.

Yeah, it probably is it. No one else has initiated a heat death on birth and the seed being hasn't been birthed yet on panel.

I haven't been this excited about comics in a long time. Can't wait for the reveal.

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Originally posted by Galan007
It'd be awesome for adult Franklin to make an appearance--even if he doesn't do much. I mean, we already know for sure that he survives this whole incursion calamity, so why not use him..?

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Originally posted by operator616
And Father of the endless featured in Sandman Overture also had lots of implied power. Supreme-level power it seemed.

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Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Well, yes. He will have some important place in the creation of NU Marvel post Secret Wars:

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Originally posted by operator616
Presence and GEB are the only individuals that have the established feats to take them on. WF Mxy maybe too.

Though if we're talking about the combined powers of DCU, im sure there is more than enough to defeat 3 beyonders. For example, imagine Lucifer, Michael, Synnar, all the endless, Anti-Monitor, Mandrakk, ZHP, etc... teaming up? Surely, they can take on those 3 Beyonders. It's just that there aren't any who can take them individually.



Yeah, though like i said, id better not comment till the story ends. Because things like that (Pralaya being above God) tend to end up being hyperbole.

Still though; she seems to be at least a multiversal abstract form the looks of things. And the multiverse was confirmed to contain infinite universes in the JLD series unlike what Morrison seems to think.

Edit: Now that i think of it though; there are two beings in N52 apart from the Presence that have comparable power. Non (from Phantom Stranger's solo) was implied to be a direct enemy of the Presence and seemed to be well above Stranger/Spectre combined. And Father of the endless featured in Sandman Overture also had lots of implied power. Supreme-level power it seemed. Though either way, they don't have feats to confirm, so it's speculation at best.

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Originally posted by Golgo13
Did Non beat Spectre/ phantom stranger? I can't remember.

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Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Didn't Hickman establish Franklin and Galactus were going to be the only 2 left to witness the heat death of the universe?

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Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Didn't Hickman establish Franklin and Galactus were going to be the only 2 left to witness the heat death of the universe? Maybe he'll follow through with that.

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Originally posted by Galan007
Non's minions beat/subdued PS and Spectre, but he personally did not. iirc.


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