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And Adrian Pasdar's character disagreed with a woman so he's a sexist. Lol.


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Looks like the writers are all in on the soapboxing.

Now we've got schools overreacting to one off incidents, a gay wedding, CEO micro managing, constant Trump commentary from Cat Grant..

I liked the show in spite of all that, but I'm afraid the writers believe the soapboxing is why people liked it, and ramped the dial up to 11..


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The "fear" villain, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but felt her little speech was really about Trumps/alt rights supposed populism "fear based politics".

So, Lena knows Kara is Supergirl, right?

First Jimmy, now Lena do the "work first" thing? Is Kara gonna quit every other week now?

..and I really hope Ruby isn't a play on RWBY.. As if they're signaling to who they think their audience is.


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The "fear" villain, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but felt her little speech was really about Trumps/alt rights supposed populism "fear based politics".


The show is heavily political, but I'm not so sure the villain of this week was an example of that. There really was a villain named Psi, and her alter ego was Gayle Marsh, just as in this show, iirc. She appeared in the first 3 issues of the Daring New Adventures of Supergirl comic book series of the early 1980s.

The TV villain seems to have blended elements of the comic version and a female villain that appeared immediately after that arc named Mesmer, of a gang under control of a shadow organization called "The Council". Her gang was called ... The Gang. The degree of symmetry is not extraordinarily high, but it IS noticeable to anyone who read those issues:

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So, Lena knows Kara is Supergirl, right?


At the start of this episode?
Probably not.
Or at least we're apparently meant to think not.

By the end of this episode, though, considering what Kara did to part of the CatCo building and the timing of it, probably.

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First Jimmy, now Lena do the "work first" thing? Is Kara gonna quit every other week now?


This was actually a feature of Supergirl in the 70s and the 80s as well.
She went from College student to photographer/reporter to Soap Opera star to Counselor at a school called New Athens.

There were at least 1 or 2 periods where she operated as Supergirl full time and started losing touch with her "human" side, too.



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I really hope Ruby isn't a play on RWBY.. As if they're signaling to who they think their audience is.




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Looks like the writers are all in on the soapboxing.

Now we've got schools overreacting to one off incidents, a gay wedding, CEO micro managing, constant Trump commentary from Cat Grant..

I liked the show in spite of all that, but I'm afraid the writers believe the soapboxing is why people liked it, and ramped the dial up to 11..



There were definitely a lot of people who felt betrayed by the show writers of Supergirl since its move to CW.

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv...r-reviews/adult

With any luck, the increasing unavailability of Florianna Lima will encourage them to focus on the things that made Season 1 good viewing.

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Just realized that the guy who played Martian Manhunter in the Justice League show, portrayed Jonn's father in the most recent episode


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I knew the voice sounded similar but didn’t realize it was the exact same person. Awesome. He was about the only good thing to have come of the episode, between the predictable family drama over gay marriage and everything else.


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Didn't know that. That's fantastic, I for one was a fan of John over Jordan on the show.


Anyways, anyone notice something a bit off about thia episode? Something that doesn't really belong to the Superman mythos?

Like casually slaughtering a few martians? Code against killing and all that?

Kara has blood on her hands now, people. And so casual about it too, smile, glitter, and unicorns with whiffs of martian ozone still in the air..


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anyone notice something a bit off about this episode? Something that doesn't really belong to the Superman mythos?

Like casually slaughtering a few martians? Code against killing and all that?

Kara has blood on her hands now, people. And so casual about it too, smile, glitter, and unicorns with whiffs of martian ozone still in the air..


You've missed a lot of Supergirl's screen time in this AND previous eras if you think that's something new. Supergirl has been a martial character since AT LEAST the 1980s, and possibly before then.

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You've missed a lot of Supergirl's screen time in this AND previous eras if you think that's something new. Supergirl has been a martial character since AT LEAST the 1980s, and possibly before then.


If she was in this version, that would be fine. But remember Alex killing Astra was a huge deal. Something she found unforgivable when she thought J'on did it.

There isn't really much reason to believe Supergirl doesn't have a standard (Especially for anyone with an S shield) heroic "code of killing" outside of this one example.

And because it's never happened to a human, I'm inclined to believe the writers simply fell into the "Moral drift" that happens the less human a being appears.

Seriously, if these martians looked like red blooded humans, would it have happened?


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And of course, they had to sneak in more Trump commentary with the building a wall jabs. But it seems like there are a few CW writers in this camp. Had multiple goes at Trump on this season of Supergirl, and even got Trump's MAGA slogan associated with Satan and Hell on Supernatural. As I have mentioned previously, I don't particularly care for the guy either, but these shows aren't the place for the writers to air their personal political butthurt.


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If she was in this version, that would be fine. But remember Alex killing Astra was a huge deal. Something she found unforgivable when she thought J'onn did it.

There isn't really much reason to believe Supergirl doesn't have a standard (Especially for anyone with an S shield) heroic "code of killing" outside of this one example.

And because it's never happened to a human, I'm inclined to believe the writers simply fell into the "Moral drift" that happens the less human a being appears.

Seriously, if these martians looked like red blooded humans, would it have happened?



Short answer? Yes.

You're forgetting exactly who killed Mon-El's mom, Rhea, in the finale of Season 2, and possibly numberless other, VERY human-looking Daxamites in that same episode. It sure wasn't J'onn or Alex ...

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And of course, they had to sneak in more Trump commentary with the building a wall jabs. But it seems like there are a few CW writers in this camp. Had multiple goes at Trump on this season of Supergirl, and even got Trump's MAGA slogan associated with Satan and Hell on Supernatural.



I actually have a thread dedicated to those kinds of observations and analysis.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...=9#post16363647


I'd be very appreciative if you could show me a clip with the Supernatural scene you mention here.

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I actually have a thread dedicated to those kinds of observations and analysis.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...=9#post16363647


I'd be very appreciative if you could show me a clip with the Supernatural scene you mention here.


I'll try and see if there is a clip of it, but it was a comment in passing, so not sure if someone will bother to upload it to youtube or something. It's in episode 2 of season 13. And it was basically along the lines of two demons chatting to each other, talking about the state of Hell and its leadership, and then the one demon remarks to the other one about how Lucifer will "make Hell great again", which is a very obvious play on Trump's "make America great again" slogan.


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Short answer? Yes.

You're forgetting exactly who killed Mon-El's mom, Rhea, in the finale of Season 2, and possibly numberless other, VERY human-looking Daxamites in that same episode. It sure wasn't J'onn or Alex ...


Kara was half dead herself, and afask was handed a way to drive off an invading force (One she had heavy reservations against in best of times) that successfully conquored the planet. Even if Rhea's death wasn't unintentional, poisoning an invading force is a bit different then backhanding someone onto a rock spike in a melee, as she did, much less blasting them to bits without hesitation when it really wasn't necessary (No cities at stake, just a standard hero melee. Happens all the time, with similar stakes, and she's never ripped Heshaw's head off..)


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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.

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Oh yeah, you just know sending the staff to Earth is going to result in a bunch of White Martian invasions. Good job rebels, you just screwed over your saviors planet. thumb up


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Kara was half dead herself, and afaik was handed a way to drive off an invading force (One she had heavy reservations against in best of times) that successfully conquered the planet. Even if Rhea's death wasn't unintentional, poisoning an invading force is a bit different then backhanding someone onto a rock spike in a melee, as she did, much less blasting them to bits without hesitation when it really wasn't necessary (No cities at stake, just a standard hero melee. Happens all the time, with similar stakes, and she's never ripped Heshaw's head off..)




I think you missed a scene or two. Not merely a city, but the entire planet Mars was at stake here, along with the final fate of the known Green Martian race (in the form of J'onn and his father).

And that's ignoring what would eventually happen once the majority White Martians FULLY commit their attention to an Earth now lacking the shielding intervention of J'onn and M'Gann's resistance movement.

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I knew you would say this as soon as I posted. stick out tongue

It's what I would have said. wink

My response, is yes, the white martians are basically space nazi's and would have killed a lot more, and easily. And IF it was necessary to kill to prevent that, then yeah sure, I can see it happening. Just like Man of Steel Superman killed Zod to save a family of huddling people so frozen in fear they couldn't move away from the very slowly approaching heat vision. smile

HOWEVER... there was no threat here. Kara HAD the staff in her hands. Strictly speaking, there was no call for killing someone in this instance.

Because again, if there were, you could argue Metallo, Reactron, the various evil businessmen and aliens and such would deserve to die, too, if not because of the scale of the attrocities they'd inflict, then because they at least threatened friends, family, strangers. Astra never should have been a blip on the radar, by that standard.

I mean, you want to argue "In times of great need, do what you must", that's fine. I'm onboard with that.

But there's a difference between killing to save many with the greatest of reservations, and what Frank Castle does. And Kara's slaughter of white martians after having taken possession of the staff was more in line with Castle, imo.


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Hey, real quick, while you're here, what's a RWBY?

I'll respond to your other stuff after awhile, but, in the meantime, I had little idea of what your acronym meant when you posted days ago, and still don't.

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It's a pretty awesome web series.

Basically, a "faux anime" (Because it's CGI, and true anime is hand drawn) about a bunch of kids with "fighting game" like powers/skills.

If you've heard of Red vs Blue, it's by the same team. Monty Oum was the animator, who died tragically before season 3 (He also did a nifty Dead or Alive/Final Fantasy brawl series called Dead Fantasy.)

RWBY has enough of a following to make it to the mainstream in a crossover game series by Arc System Works, along with Blazblue and two others I'm not ad famaliar with.

Shows are free online if you want to check them out.


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